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skijohn

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In a word....BULLSHIT !

The majority of people don't want all of what's being wrongly called " common sense gun control " that's just not true.
1/3 of Americans own guns and 1/3 are open to owning guns and 1/3 do not own guns and don't want to.
The majority of Americans do not want to ban the majority of all our guns, most guns are semi-auto and an " assault weapon " will end up being any semi-auto weapon because the only difference between the guns your bunch has singled out and most all guns is cosmetic, what you liberals are talking about is banning the majority of all guns, that is not " common sense reform " and it's not going to happen.

YOU CAN NOT END GUN VIOLENCE BY RESTRICTING LAW ABIDING CITIZENS !
Criminals do not obey the dam laws, your common sense gun laws would only affect the law abiding, not the criminals.

What you liberals want is socialism, the Great Reset and your educators/influencers think we need to mostly disarm the nation to get it done, it's not going to happen.......We may end up as some form of hybrid socialist but socialist with guns.
The strawman...

"If you stop the mentally ill from owning a gun that means all guns will all be taken away from everyone!" but no one wants to take away your guns, it's an absurd argument...

Think of it this way, every American that wants to own a gun does own a gun, has that had any effect on the epidemic of the mass shooting that has just been increasing year after year? None! and what's your solution, just cure all of society's ills, and in the meantime do nothing!

The fact is Gallup's annual polling shows that between 34 percent and 44 percent of Americans have remained satisfied with the nation's gun laws since 2001. Dissatisfaction has been between a low of 47 percent in 2003 and a high of 62 percent in 2016 over the past two decades.

Something must be done whether or not everybody is on board, BUT admittedly that's a long way off, and until the old guard dies of old age and new fresh faces take over, and the ever-increasing epidemic of mass shooting will be a way of life in the US...
 
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Give them an inch, they will take 100 miles, that is what will happen to us. Don't give a tenth of an inch. If I wanted to create destruction like these numb skulls abusing weapons do, using a rifle or pistol would not be my choice at all, it won't be the bad guys choice later, if unavailable. In the UK knives are now regulated because that is what the hoods went to using now, it won't end except perhaps with a good enough social score system showing you are a good little sheep ready to be sheared, anyone else gets down trodden into the mud. We won't be able to buy or sell (live) without a social score tied to a number, likely ending up implanted in our body somewhere on a chip. That is the progression and I believe we will eventually be there.
And the slippery slope...

"If you stop the mentally ill from owning a gun the next thing you know you'll have no rights and people will be killing each other in the streets!" The old slippery slope argument is as ridiculous as it gets...

You mentioned the UK, Ok, let's compare the US vs the UK, In 2014 the US was ranked first in countries with over 10 gun deaths per 100,000 people. While the UK was fifth and had less than 2 per 100,000 people.

Despite what Red so eloquently says, 64% of Americans support stricter gun laws, while 29% opposed them. Support was higher among Democrats (83%) than among independents (58%) and Republicans (49%). Those are just the facts whether you believe them or not...

But as I said, until the old guard dies of old age and new fresh faces take over, and the ever-increasing epidemic of mass shooting will be a way of life in the US...
 
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skijohn

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On a different topic...

Buckingham Palace Confirms Prince Philip Has Died At 99...​

 
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Sorry, but you are wrong about my view on freedom, I too believe in freedom 1st and foremost, as long as it doesn't infringe on others' right to Live, Liberty, and their pursuit of happiness!

Too many people hide behind "freedom" as they allow harm to come to others for their own selfish and irrational reasons...
Do you believe like joe Biden that the constitution and the amendments and bill of rights are not absolute? lol what’s next, Joe Biden goes to the smithsonian and takes a literal dump on the constitution? Lol. Party of absolute clowns
 

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Do you believe like joe Biden that the constitution and the amendments and bill of rights are not absolute? lol what’s next, Joe Biden goes to the smithsonian and takes a literal dump on the constitution? Lol. Party of absolute clowns
And the slippery slope continues...

Do you even read what you post???

What do you think an "amendment" is??? It literally means "a minor change or addition designed to improve a text or piece of legislation" like what has happened to the constitution and bill of rights! :ROFLMAO:

Do you even have any idea how many amendments there are??? :rolleyes:

Things change and the laws should change to keep pace but they lag far behind...
 

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Hemingway I think it was who said: When it comes to dishonesty there are lies, dam lies and statistics.

Amend the constitution and I will willingly comply, but potus can NOT circumvent our Constitution by royal decree.

Of the over 7500 Americans who die every day more than 99% do NOT die by way of gunshot, that is less than 1% of the people who die every day and as suicides account for the majority of gun deaths what we have is a mental health/drug problem, not a gun problem.
 

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WRONG !!!
MANY PEOPLE SURVIVE SUICIDE ATTEMPTS VIA. GUNSHOT, IT IS NOT FOOLPROOF !
YOU PAUL, AS USUAL, ARE JUST MAKING SHIT UP !

It depends on what a person intends as many suicides are just attempts to get help. Persons who shoot themselves in the head and cross both hemispheres or the bullet lands in the back of the brain are considered to be 100% fatal. Of course people shoot themselves anywhere on the body and many can survive this. Even head shots that aren't serious can be survivable. But, many people do successfully end their lives with guns. If one is serious about this it is not difficult to do at all. It is much more fatal than trying to kill oneself by other means such as drug overdoses with sleeping pills. Though that might also seem to be fatal, sleeping pills used today have a large therapeutic range.
 

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People use guns to commit suicide because it is foolproof.


It depends on what a person intends as many suicides are just attempts to get help. Persons who shoot themselves in the head and cross both hemispheres or the bullet lands in the back of the brain are considered to be 100% fatal. Of course people shoot themselves anywhere on the body and many can survive this. Even head shots that aren't serious can be survivable. But, many people do successfully end their lives with guns. If one is serious about this it is not difficult to do at all. It is much more fatal than trying to kill oneself by other means such as drug overdoses with sleeping pills. Though that might also seem to be fatal, sleeping pills used today have a large therapeutic range.

So you admit you were wrong then, suicide by gunshot is NOT foolproof as you previously stated.
 

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So you admit you were wrong then, suicide by gunshot is NOT foolproof as you previously stated.
That's not what he said, It is foolproof IF the person intends on killing themself, many deep down don't want to die so they make a half-hearted attempt which in many cases fails as what they really want is help and they don't believe they can find it...

BUT HELP IS OUT THERE!
 

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Eh, I wanted to die lots of times in my life, when things were difficult, but truth is, I don't believe I really did want to, or I would have done something about it. I think the knowledge there is always that way out of any difficulty is probably what keeps us from going further with such ideas. Although it has been a very long time since I felt that way, I had considered it, but never through the use of a high speed piece of metal blowing a hole in my head or something, the thought of it is awful. I saw a video today though, one where a Chinese worker jumped into a steel furnace due to loosing his savings in the stock market, that was a quick way to go, horrible too.
 

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I'm no gun expert, but I do know that shooting yourself in a attempt of suicide is not foolproof.
 

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That's not what he said, It is foolproof IF the person intends on killing themself, many deep down don't want to die so they make a half-hearted attempt which in many cases fails as what they really want is help and they don't believe they can find it...

BUT HELP IS OUT THERE!
YOU ARE 100% wrong !!!

Many people have shot themselves in the chest and even in the head but the bullet failed, theses people said they tried to die, that they wanted to die, suicide by gunshot is NOT foolproof, you and paul are WRONG !

Does this man look like he didn't want to die, maybe he just wanted to become disfigured and blind ?
Suicide by gunshot is NOT FOOLPROOF !

You and paul are WRONG !!! As usual.
 

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So you're saying you can look at someone and can tell if they really want to die? :unsure:

And Red try to relax a bit, we are just talking here, nothing is at stake...

BUT you've convinced me! :unsure: I believe you're right, If not done correctly it's not foolproof...

Personally, if I had to take my own life a gun is the last thing I would use! :eek: Not when... well it's best I keep that kind of information to myself... ;)
 
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Biden can't pack the scotus ATM, the dems will have to steal the 2022 election in a big way which they will try to do, faux covid round 2 coming fall of 2022 so they can attempt another mail out ballot fraud.....No I'm not saying covid round 1 was faux, but I expect pre election 2022 they will try to pull a fast one.

This commission is just a feel good move to appease his string pullers, plus the majority of Americans don't want it.

Biden was against court packing when he was a Senator, Biden said it was a bone head idea when FDR tried it.
 

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And Red try to relax a bit, we are just talking here, nothing is at stake...
Man buzz off. You troll people with sarcastic emojis and with the dumbest comments I have ever read on the internet and you expect people to not get upset? If you really think that gun laws is going to stop a criminal, A CRIMINAL from robbing you with an illegal firearm then you really are one of the dumbest people alive.
 




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