Politics and General Debates Thread

[Ears and Eggs]

Biden to unveil long-awaited executive action on guns

The announcement, expected for Thursday, comes amid a spate of high-profile shootings and as some advocates have grown frustrated in the White House's delay.

www.politico.com

 

[RedCowboy]

We are well aware of what Biden and the mob pulling his strings want, too bad for them we do have something called The Constitution.

 

[paul1598419]

One of the officers or chiefs said that Chauvin was kneeling not on his neck, but on his shoulder blades. That’s a huge difference if true. I’m sure you didn’t see that or hear about it in the fake news you watch. I’m not sure if it was a Chief or sherif or officer. I wasn’t paying close attention, but I did see he was testifying under oath that he was not kneeling on his neck.

I watch this on CSPAN, so it is complete. I did see the defense make the argument that Chauvin's knee was not on his neck, but on his shoulder. This was only at the time when Chauvin was removing his knees from Floyd so the EMT could access his body. It was a still photo taken from the video. When put back into a video format it could be seen that this ONLY happened when the EMT asked him to get off George Floyd.

 

[conceptcar3]

I watch this on CSPAN, so it is complete. I did see the defense make the argument that Chauvin's knee was not on his neck, but on his shoulder. This was only at the time when Chauvin was removing his knees from Floyd so the EMT could access his body. It was a still photo taken from the video. When put back into a video format it could be seen that this ONLY happened when the EMT asked him to get off George Floyd.

for how long was he on the neck vs the shoulder? The bottom line is if its clear in the video that he put the knee on the neck and suffocated him, he is guilty. If he was only on the neck for a moment but mostly on the shoulder, then that is different story I would say.

 

[skijohn]

We are well aware of what Biden and the mob pulling his strings want, too bad for them we do have something called The Constitution.

You don't even know anything about it other than it's about "guns" and you're already holding up "The Constitution"?

If the founding father were here today they say "you haven't written any new laws? what have you people been doing all this time?!? you know we wrote The Constitution with a feather, right?"...

 

[JBazz]

We are well aware of what Biden and the mob pulling his strings want, too bad for them we do have something called The Constitution.

Of course, most in Washington D.C. aren't big fans and have been actively undermining it for years.

 

[conceptcar3]

You don't even know anything about it other than it's about "guns" and you're already holding up "The Constitution"?

If the founding father were here today they say "you haven't written any new laws? what have you people been doing all this time?!? you know we wrote The Constitution with a feather, right?"...

a feather that was mighty enough to give us guns.

 

[skijohn]

a feather that was mighty enough to give us guns.

If you can call what they had back then "guns"? what we have today came from wars and now we are waring with ourselves with them!

Thou shall not alter the wisdom of the scrolls! even though we have by what's called "amendments" many times before, times change and the laws need to keep pace or people die like they are now almost daily...

 

[RedCowboy]

The people at the time the Constitution was written had the same guns that the army had.
The 2nd Amendment is about Freedom, it's not about hunting or target shooting, it's about Freedom from tyranny.
I know exactly what it's about, you however do not.

p.s. The concept of punishing 100 million gun owners for the acts of a few deranged maniacs will never fix anything, you can NOT legislate morality, or empathy, the fact is evil bastards will do evil shit and guns are how we defend ourselves from evil bastards including those who abuse their authority if all else were to fail, do you think only the cops should have guns ? They are deadly enough with knees. Ask the people of Hong Kong if they wish they had a 2nd Amendment as they are dragged away to re-education camps, ask the Chinese who their government use for organ harvesting.

 

[conceptcar3]

If you can call what they had back then "guns"? what we have today came from wars and now we are waring with ourselves with them!

Thou shall not alter the wisdom of the scrolls! even though we have by what's called "amendments" many times before, times change and the laws need to keep pace or people die like they are now almost daily...

There's a process for amendments to the constitution. go ahead and change it.

 

[RedCowboy]

The authority granted to our elected reps to make law ends where our Bill of Rights begins, it takes a 2/3 majority and ratification by 3/4 of the States to Amend our Constitution.
The POTUS is not our king, he/she can NOT make law, he/she can only sign bills into law and those laws can NOT violate our Constitution.
The supremacy clause states that any law repugnant to our Constitution is null and void.
It's the duty of the people to disobey and nullify unconstitutional laws until overturned, as for unconstitutional executive orders......those will be struck down in court pretty quickly I expect.

 

[skijohn]

The people at the time the Constitution was written had the same guns that the army had.
The 2nd Amendment is about Freedom, it's not about hunting or target shooting, it's about Freedom from tyranny.
I know exactly what it's about, you however do not.

p.s. The concept of punishing 100 million gun owners for the acts of a few deranged maniacs will never fix anything, you can NOT legislate morality, or empathy, the fact is evil bastards will do evil shit and guns are how we defend ourselves from evil bastards including those who abuse their authority, do you think only the cops should have guns ? They are deadly enough with knees. Ask the people of Hong Kong if they wish they had a 2nd Amendment as they are dragged away to re-education camps, ask the Chinese who their government use for organ harvesting.

If it's really about Freedom from tyranny do you really think if you had a whole house full of AR15's you're going to stand against the US military??? Come on! what it's really about is you like guns and that's fine because nobody is trying to take them away, they are just trying to keep them out of the hands of people who kill people like you and me!

It's a fallacy to believe that if you have a gun you will always be safe from someone who wants to kill you or your family, that's just not reality.

Keep your guns but don't let mentally disturbed people get them! I say that as someone who owns a Desert Eagle 50 cal and an M1 Super 90 semi-auto magnum shotgun loaded with 1oz magnum slugs!

 

[RedCowboy]

What are you talking about ?
We the people are the US military, our sons and daughters, our fathers, brothers and sisters, uncles, ants, nephews.
Do you really think the US military is going to enforce unconstitutional directives against the people, against their own families ?

Just WTF are you talking about ?
Disarming Americans against their will ?
Good luck with that.

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It's a fallacy to believe believe the police can save you from a crime, police come around after the crime to photograph the scene.

So you are talking about universal background checks ?
That will turn into registration, registration becomes confiscation because if you agree to register then you agree to be bound by the registering authorities rules which will change until we look like Canada and then Australia.
If you must register and account for something then it's not yours anymore, you are only being allowed to hold it, for now.

 

[skijohn]

What are you talking about ?
We the people are the US military, our sons and daughters, our fathers, brothers and sisters, uncles, ants, nephews.
Do you really think the US military is going to enforce unconstitutional directives against the people, against their own families ?

Just WTF are you talking about ?
Disarming Americans against their will ?
Good luck with that.

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So you are talking about universal background checks ?
That will turn into registration, registration becomes confiscation because if you agree to register then you agree to be bound by the registering authorities rules which will change until we look like Canada and then Australia.
If you must register and account for something then it's not yours anymore, you are only being allowed to hold it, for now.

Then where is this tyranny you talk about going to come from??? unarmed legislators and government officials???

And please save me the old slippery slope... This will lead to that and before you know it we are all wearing dresses and dinosaurs will roam the earth...

 

[RedCowboy]

Where does it ever come from ? From those in power who want more control, who want to stay in power, who want to be above the laws themselves, it's the reason we broke from England and became the USA

Our Bill of Rights is our shield against tyranny and that shield has been battered and bruised, but it still stands, a bit wobbly but still in the fight.

Do you think the police should be able to break down your door and put a knee on your neck because they have decided it's in the best interest of the community to dig through your home, to question and hold you without bail, or do you want your rights ?

Do you think you should be allowed to speak your mind or should a ministry of truth silence those they deem offensive ? What if it's you who's deemed offensive ? Do you have empathy for others ? Is a person who condones government /police violence less guilty that the bad actor ?

Don't be fooled by the easy answers, this has all been done before, did you learn any real history in school or was it all social justice and revisionist history ? Do you know where we came from ?

 

[skijohn]

Where does it ever come from ? From those in power who want more control, who want to stay in power, who want to be above the laws themselves, it's the reason we broke from England and became the USA

Our Bill of Rights is our shield against tyranny and that shield has been battered and bruised, but it still stands, a bit wobbly but still in the fight.

And how will they stay in power if we are the military and if we are the military why would everyone outside of the military need to be armed???

You still haven't answered where this tyranny is coming from that regular people should all be armed against??? as you say we are the military and our government is unarmed without us?

And then you add all of this that has nothing to do with the debate we are having about gun control and tyranny???

"Do you think the police should be able to break down your door and put a knee on your neck because they have decided it's in the best interest of the community to dig through your home, to question and hold you without bail, or do you want your rights ?
Do you think you should be allowed to speak your mind or should a ministry of truth silence those they deem offensive ? What if it's you who's deemed offensive ? Do you have empathy for others ? Is a person who condones government /police violence less guilty that the bad actor ?
Don't be fooled by the easy answers, this has all been done before, did you learn any real history in school or was it all social justice and revisionist history ? Do you know where we came from ?"

can we stick to one subject at a time, please? for now can we talk about this tyranny that regular people should all be armed to fight against...