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RedCowboy

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You are dreaming paul
I'm sure Barr knows Obama was involved in the criminal spying that took place against Trump as well as other criminal acts and Bill Clinton is a rapist but not even the " me too " movement will catch him, ex presidents are not charged once out of office and won't be, it would establish a very dangerous precedent that could be used to influence presidential decisions while in office and it won't happen, even if it did the next sitting president who ever he/she is would certainly pardon him, an ex president has secret service and legal protection for life.
Probably a big part of why HRC was TOTALLY let off the hook being an ex first lady.

You know if Hillary was not such an arrogant nasty bitch she just might have won, but her rancid festering essence oozes through and shows for all to see in the light of day despite her best attempts to hide it.

I will bet you a brand new sanwu RGB laser that Trump will not spend a single day in jail for any BS obstruction charge in 2021, do you accept the bet, will you buy me a Sanwu RGB on January 1st 2022 when you lose ?
 
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Only time will tell. No, I wouldn't take a bet on someone's conviction no matter how despicable they are. Neither Obama nor Clinton did anything illegal. The sex that Clinton lied about was consentual. His impeachment offense was lying about it. Trump, on the other hand, is on tape claiming to molest women and grabbing them by the "pu$$y". He also made payments to women to keep them from coming forward during the election which is also a crime. Gees! Obama was investigated by the Republicans for years without so much as a hint of impropriety.
 

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Not a hint of .........WHAT paul you are just making shit up again.


1. IRS targets Obama’s enemies: The IRS targeted conservative and pro-Israel groups prior to the 2012 election. Questions are being raised about why this occurred, who ordered it, whether there was any White House involvement and whether there was an initial effort to hide who knew about the targeting and when.

2. Benghazi: This is actually three scandals in one: The failure of administration to protect the Benghazi mission; the changes made to the talking points in order to suggest the attack was motivated by an anti-Muslim video; and the refusal of the White House to say what President Obama did the night of the attack.

3. Keeping an eye on The Associated Press: The Justice Department performed a massive cull of Associated Press reporters’ phone records as part of a leak investigation.

4. Rosengate: The Justice Department suggested that Fox News reporter James Rosen is a criminal for reporting about classified information and subsequently monitored his phones and emails.

5. Potential Holder perjury I: Attorney General Eric Holder told Congress he had never been associated with “potential prosecution” of a journalist for perjury when in fact he signed the affidavit that termed Rosen a potential criminal.

6. The ATF “Fast and Furious” scheme: Federal agencies allowed weapons from U.S. gun dealers to “walk” across the border into the hands of Mexican drug dealers. The ATF summarily lost track of scores of those weapons, many of which were used in crimes, including the December 2010 killing of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.

7. Potential Holder perjury II: Holder told Congress in May 2011 that he had just recently heard about the Fast and Furious gun walking scheme when there is evidence he may have known much earlier.

8. Sebelius demands payment: HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius solicited donations from companies HHS might regulate. The money would be used to help her sign up uninsured Americans for Obamacare.

9. The Pigford scandal: An Agriculture Department effort that started as an attempt to compensate black farmers who had been discriminated against by the agency but evolved into a gravy train delivering several billion dollars in cash to thousands of additional minority and female farmers who probably didn’t face discrimination.

10. GSA gone wild: The General Services Administration in 2010 held an $823,000 training conference in Las Vegas, featuring a clown and a mind readers. Resulted in the resignation of the GSA administrator.

11. Veterans Affairs in Disney World: The agency wasted more than $6 million on two conferences in Orlando. An assistant secretary was fired.

12. Sebelius violates the Hatch Act: A U.S. special counsel determined that Sebelius violated the Hatch Act when she made “extemporaneous partisan remarks” during a speech in her official capacity last year. During the remarks, Sebelius called for the election of the Democratic candidate for governor of North Carolina.

13. Solyndra: Republicans charged the Obama Administration funded and promoted its poster boy for green energy despite warning signs the company was headed for bankruptcy. The administration also allegedly pressed Solyndra to delay layoff announcements until after the 2010 midterm elections.

14. AKA Lisa Jackson: Former EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson used the name “Richard Windsor” when corresponding by email with other government officials, drawing charges she was trying to evade scrutiny.

15. The New Black Panthers: The Justice Department was accused of using a racial double standard in failing to pursue a voter intimidation case against Black Panthers who appeared to be menacing voters at a polling place in 2008 in Philadelphia.

16. Waging war all by myself: Obama may have violated the Constitution and both the letter and the spirit of the War Powers Resolution by attacking Libya without Congressional approval.

17. Biden bullies the press: Vice President Biden’s office has repeatedly interfered with coverage, including forcing a reporter to wait in a closet, making a reporter delete photos, and editing pool reports.

18. AKPD not A-OK: The administration paid millions to the former firm of then-White House adviser David Axelrod, AKPD Message and Media, to promote passage of Obamacare. Some questioned whether the firm was hired to help pay Axelrod $2 million AKPD owed him.

19. Sestak, we’ll take care of you: Former White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel used Bill Clinton as an intermediary to probe whether former Rep. Joe Sestak (D-Pa.) would accept a prominent, unpaid White House advisory position in exchange for dropping out of the 2010 primary against former Sen. Arlen Specter (D-Pa.).

20. I’ll pass my own laws: Obama has repeatedly been accused of making end runs around Congress by deciding which laws to enforce, including the decision not to deport illegal immigrants who may have been allowed to stay in the United States had Congress passed the “Dream Act.”
 

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Neither the previous president or the current are worth a :poop:. That's all I gotta say.
 

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Nobody on the democratic ticket is worth a dam either, Kamala Harris when she was the SD DA held people in jail past their release date and ignored exculpatory evidence, that's awful, there all awful. Trump is the lesser of all evils at this point, actually he had done a lot of good.
 

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Trump is being investigated by the New York AG for crimes committed in the state. If brought to prosecution and convicted he cannot be pardoned by any president. They passed a law recently to give his state tax returns for use in their and other's investigations.

Actually, once the dust settles, it is likely Biden will be the nominee. He currently holds a double digit lead over Trump.

You named all the republican wet dreams during the Obama Administration that came to not. Every conspiracy theory ever advanced against him or anyone in his administration.
 
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Seems like NY is going to extremes to invent something, Trump may sue NY once he's out of office, take it to the supreme court if need be, the mayor of NY and AG are not above the law either, maybe the US AG needs to scrutinize them, see if they need to be brought up on charges, possibly conspiracy ?
 

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As much as the Trump haters hate, they have no idea how bad things would have been without his winning the election. I hope to see him continuing to reshape America back into what it was set out to be early on, before the crazy radical demonic rats started loosing their minds and pulling every possible stunt they could to remain in the game, willing to make things far worse to do so.
 

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They don't care if they destroy the economy and everyone needs government assistance because when money becomes worthless they will inherit everything, control all and live as rulers above it all, people talk about the wealthy....well democrats all seem to become wealthy once in office and their pay is not that much, all their wealth comes from other places and yes, at the peoples expense, even selling us out where foreign interests prevail but as long as the crooked politician can stuff his/her pockets they don't care how many little people suffer, but not Trump, Trump actually cares about the people, our economy and our freedom.
Also democrats talk about Trump harnessing hate but that's exactly what they are doing, dividing people and creating hate, it's going to one day lead to a revolution if it doesn't stop and they know it, it's why they want us helpless and dependent.
 

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Good idea to create this thread @CurtisOliver . I enjoy these types of discussions and hopefully a dedicated thread like this will keep it out of laser related threads. :D
 

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Or veteran threads which were started through a misunderstanding :)
 

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Listen to this lady, she has a full understanding of the democrats communistic liberal agenda:

All the " universal " plans are just control, universal income, universal healthcare, universal transportation.

It really means the government will control all your money, decide what you earn and where you report for your work assignment and that you ride the bus to get there, after all we must save the planet and we put our most cherished children on a bus to go to school so why can't most of us ride a bus to work and the grocery ? If you have special need for a car you can apply and wait but don't hold your breath.

You will report for your annual universal healthcare physical as instructed and pay fines for any burdens you place on the system with your unhealthy habits, your mental health will be evaluated and your freedoms limited accordingly for public safety.

This may sound outrageous but it could happen quickly and with electronics advancing as they are Orwellian surveillance is pretty much at hand, what you watch and say online, what's available for you to watch and if you get out of line AI sentinels will alert the universal mental health service so you can be helped.

Actually you can order your groceries from your PC at home, no need to ride that bus to a store, shipping from warehouses would be more efficient and you will be restricted as to what you can buy, your dietary restrictions based on your universal healthcare evaluation and anything bad for the environment will be restricted, don't worry about figuring any of it out, the government will tell you what you need and can have.

People with special skills will likely have some perks but only small things to be fair and never brag about it as that will be illegal, many things will be illegal.

The main reason for these drastic seeming restrictions is we must save the planet or we will all die in 10 years or less, so we must all do our part and give up some wasteful things, and the cameras in all your household devices are just for environmental compliance because the situation is so critical.

Beware that speaking badly about government is illegal, yes you have freedom of speech but you can't shout " FIRE " in a crowded movie theatre or people will get hurt, well speaking badly about government/officials can also cause people to get hurt.....YOU

There is no need to live in big wasteful houses, remember global warming is very serious, so government housing complexes will be built where everyone can live more efficiently, schools will be within safe walking distance and grocery delivery will be much more efficient, this is just until we reduce our carbon footprint, but with China and others being slow to correct it may take some time.

Guns, lasers, fireworks, motorcycles/scooters unnecessary travel and many things won't be allowed " temporarily wink wink " for public safety while we are saving the planet, but you can choose from a list of recommended hobbies.

It's so important to reduce global warming that the now uninhabited beach front property will be temporally rented to wealthy foreign investors so they can live here in a clean green home and rent rooms to other wealthy foreigners to vacation, but all the buildings will be clean green so that alone makes it worthwhile, and if your a good citizen you can work there and live in a nicer worker housing complex, you will of course need to be physically attractive and have excellent people skills, don't worry you will be selected for the job but you must not talk about it online.

Have you ever seen those Chinese factory towns


 
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All the " universal " plans are just control, universal income, universal healthcare, universal transportation.

It really means the government will control all your money, decide what you earn and where you report for your work assignment and that you ride the bus to get there, after all we must save the planet and we put our most cherished children on a bus to go to school so why can't most of us ride a bus to work and the grocery ? If you have special need for a car you can apply and wait but don't hold your breath.

You will report for your annual universal healthcare physical as instructed and pay fines for any burdens you place on the system with your unhealthy habits, your mental health will be evaluated and your freedoms limited accordingly for public safety.
Seems like the democrats are pushing for the Country to become a giant day care center, that politicians know better, and the Freedom everyone enjoys should be a thing of the past. Is not what built the Country nor the values of same which have produced the most productive powerful economy and Nation on the planet.

The Dems just want control and power as if their twisted universalist solutions, daydreams, and lack of ability in the real world make a difference and running the Country into the ground will make them look better---is a bad joke. They are unhappy and disgruntled at how insignificant, meaningless, and powerless they and their ideas/imaginings really are. The inmates have almost taken over the asylum.

Is no wonder that April 2019 Pew Research Center study says: "Public trust in the government remains near historic lows Only 17% of Americans today say they can trust the government in Washington to do what is right “just about always” (3%) or “most of the time” (14%). https://www.people-press.org/2019/04/11/public-trust-in-government-1958-2019/

"The American ideal is not that we all agree with each other, or even like each other, every minute of the day. It is rather that we will respect each other's rights, especially the right to be different, and that, at the end of the day, we will understand that we are one people, one country, and one community, and that our well-being is inextricably bound up with the well-being of each and every one of our fellow citizens." ~ c. everett koop
 

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They don't care if they destroy the economy and everyone needs government assistance because when money becomes worthless they will inherit everything, control all and live as rulers above it all, people talk about the wealthy....well democrats all seem to become wealthy once in office and their pay is not that much, all their wealth comes from other places and yes, at the peoples expense, even selling us out where foreign interests prevail but as long as the crooked politician can stuff his/her pockets they don't care how many little people suffer, but not Trump, Trump actually cares about the people, our economy and our freedom.
Also democrats talk about Trump harnessing hate but that's exactly what they are doing, dividing people and creating hate, it's going to one day lead to a revolution if it doesn't stop and they know it, it's why they want us helpless and dependent.

Democrats have not made money in the presidential office like republicans have. Reagan started taking Millions of dollars per speaking engagement the day he left office, but Trump has supersized the idea of taking money in office. Watch the "Weekly" Inauguration Inc. It spells out in no uncertain terms how Trump started taking money from day one. Obama made most of his money in office by the sales of his book. Nothing illegal or even offensive with that.

Also, if you want to see the fire, just look for the smoke. How many Trump campaign people and Trump administration members, high up in his organization, have been convicted of crimes or are waiting for trial under indictment? Trump loves them until they become a liability. Then, all of a sudden, they are scum.

Sure, it's fun to poke fun at the most left leaning Democrats at the end of the debates, but that will change soon enough once a candidate is nominated. Those debates were only an exchange of ideas among the democrats in the race. I believe there are too many, but that will change soon enough.
 




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