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paul1598419

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You can talk any nonsense you feel is necessary to you. Come January 20 at noon Biden will be sworn in as the new President of the United States. Nothing will change that now. Pelosi is still speaker of the House and will remain so for the next two years at least. If I were you, I'd worry about the two runoff Senate seats in Georgia. 🤣
 



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(Washington, DC) – Judicial Watch announced today that a September 2020 study revealed that 353 U.S. counties had 1.8 million more registered voters than eligible voting-age citizens. In other words, the registration rates of those counties exceeded 100% of eligible voters. The study found eight states showing state-wide registration rates exceeding 100%: Alaska, Colorado, Maine, Maryland, Michigan, New Jersey, Rhode Island, and Vermont.
STATES AND COUNTIES WITH REGISTRATION RATES EXCEEDING 100%


(* means no separate reporting of inactive registrations)


Alabama: Lowndes County (130%); Macon County (114%); Wilcox (113%); Perry County (111%); Madison County (109%); Hale County (108%); Marengo County (108%); Baldwin (108%); Greene County (107%); Washington County (106%); Dallas County (106%); Choctaw County (105%); Conecuh County (105%); Randolph County (104%); Shelby County (104%); Lamar County (103%); Autauga County (103%); Clarke County (103%); Henry County (103%); Monroe County (102%); Colbert County (101%); Jefferson County (101%); Lee County (100%); Houston County (100%); Crenshaw County (100%)


*Alaska: Statewide (111%)


Arizona:
Santa Cruz County (107%); Apache County (106%)


*Arkansas: Newton County (103%)


Colorado: Statewide (102%); San Juan County (158%); Dolores County (127%); Jackson County (125%); Mineral County (119%); Ouray County (119%); Phillips County (116%); Douglas County (116%); Broomfield County (115%); Elbert County (113%); Custer County (112%); Gilpin County (111%); Park County (111%); Archuleta County (111%); Cheyenne County (111%); Clear Creek County (110%); Teller County (108%); Grand County (107%); La Plata County (106%); Summit County (106%); Baca County (106%); Pitkin County (106%); San Miguel County (106%); Routt County (106%); Hinsdale County (105%); Garfield County (105%); Gunnison County (105%); Sedgwick County (104%); Eagle County (104%); Larimer County (104%); Weld County (104%); Boulder County (103%); Costilla County (103%); Chaffee County (103%); Kiowa County (103%); Denver County (103%); Huerfano County (102%); Montezuma County (102%); Moffat County (102%); Arapahoe County (102%); Jefferson County (101%); Las Animas County (101%); Mesa County (100%)


*Florida: St. Johns County (112%); Nassau County (109%); Walton County (108%); Santa Rosa County (108%); Flagler County (104%); Clay County (103%); Indian River County (101%); Osceola County (100%)


*Georgia: Bryan County (118%); Forsyth County (114%); Dawson County (113%); Oconee County (111%); Fayette County (111%); Fulton County (109%); Cherokee County (109%); Jackson County (107%); Henry County (106%); Lee County (106%); Morgan County (105%); Clayton County (105%); DeKalb County (105%); Gwinnett County (104%); Greene County (104%); Cobb County (104%); Effingham County (103%); Walton County (102%); Rockdale County (102%); Barrow County (101%); Douglas County (101%); Newton County (100%); Hall County (100%)


*Indiana: Hamilton County (113%); Boone County (112%); Clark County (105%); Floyd County (103%); Hancock County (103%); Ohio County (102%); Hendricks County (102%); Lake County (101%); Warrick County (100%); Dearborn County (100%)


Iowa: Dallas County (115%); Johnson County (104%); Lyon County (103%); Dickinson County (103%); Scott County (102%); Madison County (101%); Warren County (100%)


*Kansas: Johnson County (105%)


Maine: Statewide (101%); Cumberland County (110%); Sagadahoc County (107%); Hancock County (105%); Lincoln County (104%); Waldo County (102%); York County (100%)


Maryland: Statewide (102%); Montgomery County (113%); Howard County (111%); Frederick County (110%); Charles County (108%); Prince George’s County (106%); Queen Anne’s County (104%); Calvert County (104%); Harford County (104%); Worcester County (103%); Carroll County (103%); Anne Arundel County (102%); Talbot County (100%)


*Massachusetts: Dukes County (120%); Nantucket County (115%); Barnstable County (103%)


*Michigan: Statewide (105%); Leelanau County (119%); Otsego County (118%); Antrim County (116%); Kalkaska County (115%); Emmet County (114%); Berrien County (114%); Keweenaw County (114%); Benzie County (113%); Washtenaw County (113%); Mackinac County (112%); Dickinson County (112%); Roscommon County (112%); Charlevoix County (112%); Grand Traverse County (111%); Oakland County (110%); Iron County (110%); Monroe County (109%); Genesee County (109%); Ontonagon County (109%); Gogebic County (109%); Livingston County (109%); Alcona County (108%); Cass County (108%); Allegan County (108%); Oceana County (107%); Midland County (107%); Kent County (107%); Montmorency County (107%); Van Buren County (107%); Wayne County (107%); Schoolcraft County (107%); Mason County (107%); Oscoda County (107%); Iosco County (107%); Wexford County (106%); Presque Isle County (106%); Delta County (106%); Alpena County (106%); St Clair County (106%); Cheboygan County (105%); Newaygo County (105%); Barry County (105%); Gladwin County (105%); Menominee County (105%); Crawford County (105%); Muskegon County (105%); Kalamazoo County (104%); St. Joseph County (104%); Ottawa County (103%); Clinton County (103%); Saginaw County (103%); Manistee County (103%); Lapeer County (103%); Calhoun County (103%); Ogemaw County (103%); Macomb County (103%); Missaukee County (102%); Eaton County (102%); Shiawassee County (102%); Huron County (102%); Lenawee County (101%); Branch County (101%); Osceola County (101%); Clare County (100%); Arenac County (100%); Bay County (100%); Lake County (100%)


*Missouri: St. Louis County (102%)


*Montana: Petroleum County (113%); Gallatin County (103%); Park County (103%); Madison County (102%); Broadwater County (102%)


*Nebraska: Arthur County (108%); Loup County (103%); Keya Paha County (102%); Banner County (100%); McPherson County (100%)


Nevada: Storey County (108%); Douglas County (105%); Nye County (101%)


*New Jersey: Statewide (102%); Somerset County (110%); Hunterdon County (108%); Morris County (107%); Essex County (106%); Monmouth County (104%); Bergen County (103%); Middlesex County (103%); Union County (103%); Camden County (102%); Warren County (102%); Atlantic County (102%); Sussex County (101%); Salem County (101%); Hudson County (100%); Gloucester County (100%)


*New Mexico: Harding County (177%); Los Alamos County (110%)


New York: Hamilton County (118%); Nassau County (109%); New York (103%); Rockland County (101%); Suffolk County (100%)


*Oregon: Sherman County (107%); Crook County (107%); Deschutes County (105%); Wallowa County (103%); Hood River County (103%); Columbia County (102%); Linn County (101%); Polk County (100%); Tillamook County (100%)


Rhode Island: Statewide (101%); Bristol County (104%); Washington County (103%); Providence County (101%)


*South Carolina: Jasper County (103%)


South Dakota: Hanson County (171%); Union County (120%); Jones County (116%); Sully County (115%); Lincoln County (113%); Custer County (110%); Fall River County (108%); Pennington County (106%); Harding County (105%); Minnehaha County (104%); Potter County (104%); Campbell County (103%); McPherson County (101%); Hamlin County (101%); Stanley County (101%); Lake County (100%); Perkins County (100%)


Tennessee: Williamson County (110%); Moore County (101%); Polk County (101%)


Texas: Loving County (187%); Presidio County (149%); McMullen County (147%); Brooks County (117%); Roberts County (116%); Sterling County (115%); Zapata County (115%); Maverick County (112%); Starr County (110%); King County (110%); Chambers County (109%); Irion County (108%); Jim Hogg County (107%); Polk County (107%); Comal County (106%); Oldham County (104%); Culberson County (104%); Kendall County (103%); Dimmit County (103%); Rockwall County (102%); Motley County (102%); Parker County (102%); Hudspeth County (101%); Travis County (101%); Fort Bend County (101%); Kent County (101%); Webb County (101%); Mason County (101%); Crockett County (101%); Waller County (100%); Gillespie County (100%); Duval County (100%); Brewster County (100%)


Vermont: Statewide (100%)


Virginia:
Loudoun County (116%); Falls Church City (114%); Fairfax City (109%); Goochland County (108%); Arlington County (106%); Fairfax County (106%); Prince William County (105%); James City County (105%); Alexandria City (105%); Fauquier County (105%); Isle of Wight County (104%); Chesterfield County (104%); Surry County (103%); Hanover County (103%); New Kent County (103%); Clarke County (103%); King William County (102%); Spotsylvania County (102%); Rappahannock County (102%); Albemarle County (101%); Stafford County (101%); Northampton County (101%); Poquoson City (100%); Frederick County (100%)


Washington: Garfield County (119%); Pend Oreille County (112%); Jefferson County (111%); San Juan County (108%); Wahkiakum County (108%); Stevens County (103%); Pacific County (103%); Clark County (102%); Island County (102%); Klickitat County (102%); Thurston County (102%); Lincoln County (101%); Whatcom County (100%); Asotin County (100%)


*West Virginia: Mingo County (104%); Wyoming County (103%); McDowell County (102%); Brooke County (102%); Hancock County (100%)
 

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Republicans Loeffler and Perdue will easily win the last two Senate seats, anything else would be certain fraud.

Trump was cheated in a big way, the courts still have many cases to hear and the American people deserve to know the truth no matter what, even if we have to swear Pelosi in as POTUS in temp on the 20th.
 
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TRUMP WON !!! DEMOCRATS CHEATED !!!

THIS CORRUPT ELECTION MUST BE CANCELLED !

BIDEN WILL NOT BE SWORN IN, PREPARE FOR IT, GET YOUR CRYING TOWEL READY.

I TOLD YOU ALL ALONG, DEMOCRATS WILL CHEAT, BUT THEY WON'T GET AWAY WITH IT !
Cool. Good to know.

If y'all don't mind, I'd like to interject here with a different discussion from all this presidential heresay and political tribalism.



I've been watching this thread for a while now and there's one thing in particular I've been paying attention to: the sources and news outlets that are linked in posts

When members are trying to make or back-up a point or argument, I've seen articles referenced from the Washington Post or New York Times and links to OAN, Fox News, and Breitbart.

When looking for news (and not an opinions), I typically try to go for news outlets that are considered to be some of the most factual and least biased. One that I usually turn to is Reuters or the AP - both which are rated factual and minimally biased. By just doing a quick bias/fact check can confirm if your news source is reliable or trustworthy.

But it confuses me when I see links to articles from news outlets that are known for being typically opinionated and biased, it makes me question "why should I trust this and who is this going to convince if it's a known questionable source?"
Now obviously, no one and no thing is perfect. This obviously includes news outlets. Sometime even the best make questionable or flat-out false claims.
I wanted to give some these outlets the benefit of the doubt and decided to look into one of them, so I just search Fox News (a source that I see constantly used here) and see what headlines popped up.

The first article that caught my eye was this one (link here) with the headline

The Atlantic stuns with feature accused of ‘cheering eugenics,’ promoting ‘murder' of Down syndrome babies​


Hold up.... What? First of all - what is this headline saying and wtf is it talking about? So I read the article and it talked about a story in the December issue of The Atlantic on Down Syndrome and abortions called: The Last Children of Down Syndrome - Prenatal testing is changing who gets born and who doesn’t. This is just the beginning.

I saw a lot of people responding and saying that [the article] and The Atlantic was advocating for eugenics. Woah, those are some pretty steep claims. So naturally, I wanted to know why these people were saying this, so I read the article (link here)

It's a long article, but please give it a read in its entirety. It's an interesting and enlightening read on the sterilization of fetuses diagnosed with Down Syndrome.
But not once did I read or take away that the journalist and the news outlet were "promoting 'murder' of Down syndrome babies." Which tells me a lot of the commenters didn't read the article, and this seriously bothers me. It's proof that many people will see a headline - have some type of emotional reaction and respond without actually understanding.

Now interestingly enough, the Fox News article only report on the public's reaction but their headline is very clickbate-y and almost makes it appear as if The Atlantic is anti-down syndrome and supporting the termination of the fetuses. There's nothing wrong with Fox New reporting this controversy over the story but its headline instilled a visceral response from people which caused them to react without critically thinking.

Now I know the ethics of abortions is a topic in of itself and everyone has pretty much have their minds set on their philosophical beliefs there, but what are your thoughts on The Atlantic story, the Fox News article, or anything else mentioned above?

Denmark has really low numbers of children born with Down syndrome because of their prenatal screenings, but is it actually eugenics if it's on the individual to make the decision to carry out the pregnancy? Is the way the doctors inform individuals about the health risks of child with Down Syndrome and the optics that go along with raising a child with special needs a strong deterrent?
Were there any parts of the article you found interesting and would like to share?

What are your thoughts on the reactionary nature of certain news outlets and their bias and trustworthiness? I know this post is a little scattered and not everything I said is fully fledged out, and I will try to expand and explain certain things in more depth as needed and as I formulate my thoughts a little better. But there has been a large number of people who lost all trust in what are typically considered credible sources. It almost seems that people seek claims and sources that suit their predetermined beliefs. Now you can check the validity of these claims at any of the fact-checking websites to find out if they are true, but they take time to verify. And unfortunately "breaking news" is a lot quicker than that.

But to sum this up: What are your thoughts y'all?
 

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I have seen CNN report on an event that I watched happen and CNN flat out fabricated a story about what happened, so I have good reason to say CNN is in fact fake news.......others I can only go by what I hear, that said I suspect there is a huge amount of misinformation going on, this post by Benjamax echoed something I had suspected.

 
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I have seen CNN report on an event that I watched happen and CNN flat out fabricated a story about what happened, so I have good reason to say CNN is in fact fake news
If you don't mind me asking, what event was this? I know CNN has also dropped over the more recent year with less factual reporting/ more opinionated so I can't totally blame you there
 

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Did anyone here watch the hour and 45 minute long "press conference" with Rudy Giuliani? I watched some of it, but it looked like Giuliani was either drunk or high on something. He was sweating and had hair dye running down both sides of his face. He was alleging without a shred of evidence that there was voter fraud in all the states that didn't get called for Donald. No surprise there, but GEESE!

Trump has given up all effort to even look like he is spending any time trying to run the country. He now goes golfing, watches television and sends out the obligatory tweet storms he has become infamous for. Besides firing people he sees as being disloyal for showing why his narrative is not true, he simply isn't even giving the effort to appear he is doing anything else. He is losing every court battle he's brought with the exception of one small case in Pennsylvania where he won a procedural victory that ads no election the results of the vote in Pennsylvania. This is just sad!
 

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Georgia just finished its recount and the result is Biden won! There you go! ;)
 

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waffailtrager101, It's not just reporting that is less than factual. It's also neglecting to report things that are harmful to their agenda. The two most recent and crucial stories they didn't report on are the large scale fraud in this election and the Hunter Biden affair and laptop material as published in the New York Post.
CNN, NYT, NBC, Politico, Washington Post, The Daily Beast etc, and 99% of the rest "established" media, they are all Pravdas of the left.
Also that includes all of the European institutional broadcasting corporations.
 

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Who cares what, if anything, Hunter Biden did?! He isn't running for dog catcher and he was an adult at the time. This story is absolutely false, but it really doesn't matter as Biden is the president elect and will take office in January. As far as fraud goes....where have you been? The Trump campaign has provided absolutely NO EVIDENCE of this period. It is a "streal the vote" campaign that will also fail as there is NO EVIDENCE!

Today we had more than 183,000 new cases of covid in the US with nearly 2000 new deaths! There haven't been this many deaths since early May. The infections are, of course, a new record with Trump taking no responsibility for any of it. This will be a really bad winter this year.
 
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The deaths from covid today have now reached 189,224, a new record! That is very demoralizing! The death troll today is still fluid, so this is not the final death toll.

I guess you'll see when the election is certified that Biden won. However, the new Trump tactic is that Donald Trump has "invited" all the Republicans that are in positions in Michigan to final certification in the state to the White House this weekend. The plan is to have them not certify, even resigning, so that Trump can get the state to elect him against the voters who voted over 157,000 for Biden trying to actuate a coup in the state!

In Pennsylvania, the GOP there has approved an audit of the election to try to do basically the same thing that Trump is trying to do in Michigan. This is something everyone who voted should be concerned about. This is not how a democracy works at all!
 

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We are not a democracy we are a Constitutional Republic.

COVID is not Trumps fault, Trump has given us a vaccine in record time, Thank You President Trump.

Democrats want to exploit covid to usher in socialism and sign multi Trillion dollar covid bills into law that will be full of pork for special interest and pet projects, this makes the Ga. Senate runoff races worth a fortune to democrats, expect a fight and if fraud expect a big fight.

I hope Trump gets the vaccines out right away and takes the wind out of the covid sham sails....before Jan. 20th I expect we will be getting vaccine distributed and democrats will be pushing covid lockdowns.......gonna get a fight on that too.

 

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Yes, we are a republic, but the way states decide elections is democratically. That is what Trump is trying to undo. More than 157,000 more people voted for Biden than Trump in Michigan and there is no way around that fact. But, that isn't keeping Trump from trying to do exactly that. It should and will fail, but Trump has invited all Republicans to the White House tomorrow from Michigan who have any election power in that state to try to change the vote there.
 

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Trump won, democRATS cheated, those votes you are counting are not all valid and the fact democRATS cheated is more important than by how many votes, the true number likely won't be knows so the only fair thing to do is let the States send delegates to pick the President because democRATS cheated.
 

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Thai is exactly what I'm trying to show. Trump is, without a shred of evidence, trying to make the election moot in states where he lost. This is not a fantasy, but real in the mind of Donald Trump. That is why he has invited Republicans from Michigan to the White House tomorrow.

 




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