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Companies have been getting ready for the interference we saw during 2016 and republican pundits don't like it? There's a surprise. Trump's best friend, according to him, is Putin, but Putin isn't interested in reelecting Trump as much as he is in sowing discord and animosity among American voters. Of course these people will spin this as the government interfering in our elections, but these are the same people who either never read the Mueller report or dismissed it because it got Trump elected. I don't want any outside country meddling in our elections much less adversarial ones. Are you so tied up in getting Trump reelected that you don't care how it's done? Sure seems like it.
 



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It was a "moderate centrist" who lost to trump. Why would one stand a better chance than a populist left candidate now?

Trump won in large part because he was perceived as an outsider, not a politician. He had much populist appeal. Now I didnt believe for a second than he actually intended to do any of the things he said he would that I would have liked, he talked out both sides of his mouth so much. Which isn't to say that Hillary didnt. She is quite possibly the most transparently fake politician in history. What we need to beat trump IMO is a swashbuckling populist lefty like Bernie, also very much an outsider. Corporate centrist democrats hate him almost as much as republicans do, just look how the DNC screwed him over last time and subverted the will of the people with their "I know better than you what's good for you" shenanigans with the super delegates.

Dont underestimate the appeal of his policies. There is immense support for them. Some polls show 70% support among Democrats and even a little over 50% support among Republicans for Medicare for all. Similar story when it comes to legalizing marijuana and ending the counterproductive regime change wars. Even trump has on occasion shown support for a single payer health care system. Like I said, he talks out both sides of his mouth


Keep America great. That's awesome. Just too rich. Pat's himself on the back that much. Wow. Arrogant. Look what happened to Hillary when she arrogantly thought she had the election in the bag. We shall see.
 

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Companies have been getting ready for the interference we saw during 2016 and republican pundits don't like it? There's a surprise. Trump's best friend, according to him, is Putin, but Putin isn't interested in reelecting Trump as much as he is in sowing discord and animosity among American voters. Of course these people will spin this as the government interfering in our elections, but these are the same people who either never read the Mueller report or dismissed it because it got Trump elected. I don't want any outside country meddling in our elections much less adversarial ones. Are you so tied up in getting Trump reelected that you don't care how it's done? Sure seems like it.
Your Mueller report was written by 13 angry democrats who were all Trump haters and still the end result is No Collusion, No Obstruction.

As for Russia meddling that's been going on for a long time.




It was a "moderate centrist" who lost to trump. Why would one stand a better chance than a populist left candidate now?

Trump won in large part because he was perceived as an outsider, not a politician. He had much populist appeal. Now I didnt believe for a second than he actually intended to do any of the things he said he would that I would have liked, he talked out both sides of his mouth so much. Which isn't to say that Hillary didnt. She is quite possibly the most transparently fake politician in history. What we need to beat trump IMO is a swashbuckling populist lefty like Bernie, also very much an outsider. Corporate centrist democrats hate him almost as much as republicans do, just look how the DNC screwed him over last time and subverted the will of the people with their "I know better than you what's good for you" shenanigans with the super delegates.

Dont underestimate the appeal of his policies. There is immense support for them. Some polls show 70% support among Democrats and even a little over 50% support among Republicans for Medicare for all. Similar story when it comes to legalizing marijuana and ending the counterproductive regime change wars. Even trump has on occasion shown support for a single payer health care system. Like I said, he talks out both sides of his mouth


Keep America great. That's awesome. Just too rich. Pat's himself on the back that much. Wow. Arrogant. Look what happened to Hillary when she arrogantly thought she had the election in the bag. We shall see.
Compared to the radical socialist left agenda Keeping America Great sounds like the much better option, don't discount the incumbent factor.
 
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It was a "moderate centrist" who lost to trump. Why would one stand a better chance than a populist left candidate now?

Trump won in large part because he was perceived as an outsider, not a politician. He had much populist appeal. Now I didnt believe for a second than he actually intended to do any of the things he said he would that I would have liked, he talked out both sides of his mouth so much. Which isn't to say that Hillary didnt. She is quite possibly the most transparently fake politician in history. What we need to beat trump IMO is a swashbuckling populist lefty like Bernie, also very much an outsider. Corporate centrist democrats hate him almost as much as republicans do, just look how the DNC screwed him over last time and subverted the will of the people with their "I know better than you what's good for you" shenanigans with the super delegates.

Dont underestimate the appeal of his policies. There is immense support for them. Some polls show 70% support among Democrats and even a little over 50% support among Republicans for Medicare for all. Similar story when it comes to legalizing marijuana and ending the counterproductive regime change wars. Even trump has on occasion shown support for a single payer health care system. Like I said, he talks out both sides of his mouth


Keep America great. That's awesome. Just too rich. Pat's himself on the back that much. Wow. Arrogant. Look what happened to Hillary when she arrogantly thought she had the election in the bag. We shall see.
It is true that who will end up being the Democratic candidate is still a long way off. It is impossible to know who will coalesce as the leader of the party in this election. I know that the anger at Trump is so acute that whoever it is, they will get a great deal of support leading to an even larger popular vote discrepancy than in 2016. Trump's only chance seems to be through the same states, eeking out an electoral college victory again of less than 80,000 votes across several states, but he is well known as a liar now. I have a subscription to the Washington Post. I didn't think I could post any of those articles here. Many are extremely informative. I will have to try that next time I post here.

It is also noteworthy that agencies like the FBI and the rest of the intelligence community has been called political for the first time in my memory. It has been Trump's mantra since he found himself being investigated, not only for a conspiracy with the Russian government, but for obstruction of justice. None of the people involved in the Mueller report were acting in a political manner, no matter how much Trump and his allies try to spin it that way. He is only unindicted because the Special Counsel stated that a sitting president cannot be. I personally don't agree with that determination, but it is what it is.
 
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Your Mueller report was written by 13 angry democrats who were all Trump haters and still the end result is No Collusion, No Obstruction.

As for Russia meddling that's been going on for a long time.






Compared to the radical socialist left agenda Keeping America Great sounds like the much better option, don't discount the incumbent factor.
Oh I dont discount the incumbent factor. I understand Americans are so fed up with the status quo and business as usual that they are willing to roll the dice on someone they think even might actually shake things up.

I would strongly dispute that trump has made America great again, so certainly cant keep it great. Under the list of good things he has done I personally count only his meeting with Kim Jong un. Hopefully that bears fruit of peace. I have to give him a little credit for not going to war with iran, yet. Hillary probably would have. That's about it. I dont qualify any amount of wall he has built as a success because I think it's an impractical solution on that doesnt address the source of the problem. the tariffs are hurting Americans. Unemployment may be down but that doesnt tell the entire story, because many Americans are underemployed. Half of Americans make less than 30000 a year. An occasional strong stock market isn't a good indicator of anything other than the rich doing well, but they always are anyway. But even the stock market has been hitting some huge bumps.

Not sure why something like Medicare for all is considered "radical" given that every other developed nation has a single payer health care system.

The right has done a pretty good job of training its sychophants to have have a knee jerk reaction to the word socialism. I wonder if they ever consider how much of our system is socialist already and has been virtually since inception. I would argue that everything which benefits us all collectively that is payed for by taxes qualifies. That would include schools, the military, police, fire departments, roads, etc etc. I found it very amusing listening to one of my supervisors at work talking smack about socialism but then saying how he cant wait to retire and collect his SOCIAL security.

What he largely have, is socialism for the rich, capitalism for the poor. When wall street gambled everyone's money and lost it, we the taxpayers bailed them out. Too big to fail is the line they fed us. But when the people need a hand up the story becomes "pull yourselves up by your own bootstraps"

I'm in favor of a higher minimum wage. Not because I think everyone should make the same amount regardless of their efforts. Rather, because due to inflation the workers are making less than ever. Wages have been stagnant for a long time. Inflation is essentially a tax on the poor, disicentivising people from saving money.
 

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Your Mueller report was written by 13 angry democrats who were all Trump haters and still the end result is No Collusion, No Obstruction.

As for Russia meddling that's been going on for a long time.






Compared to the radical socialist left agenda Keeping America Great sounds like the much better option, don't discount the incumbent factor.
Sorry, I get a chuckle out of the notion of "radical socialist left" in the US. To us in Canada even the democrats are right of centre by comparison to our political parties other than perhaps our conservative party. ;)
I'd love to see a coalition government of both parties in the US work together to actually improve life for its citizens, just like they have in Finland and iceland. 👺

Mind you our federal election is coming up in October. I will be voting Blue (Conservative). While I like our PM as a human being, he is trying too hard to be friends with everyone. I have personally met him several times in Vancouver, and enjoyed talking with him. As a leader he has unfortunately made several major blunders that shot his credibility down the toilet. (the handling of the SNC-Lavlin affair for example)
 
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With Trump constantly shooting himself in the foot on the economy with his trade wars and insisting everything is better with him as president, I thought I would try to add the Washington Post business article concerning the economies under Obama and Trump written by an economist. It doesn't go into the many things Trump has done to sabotage this economy, or the fact that he blames everyone from the media to some comedians for its failures, but never himself. That, to me, is the funniest part of the Trump spin on everything he does. Nothing is ever his fault, even this trade war that he is personally responsible for and all its escalations. With many economic factors pointing to a coming recession, he can't help but do everything he can to make it a self fulling prophecy.


Because this is from my subscription, it may not be possible to post it here, but I will continue to try.
 
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Wait no.... Trump is part of the DC universe

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Unfortunately Trump is taking an identical playbook from Shinzo Abe
and the humanistic approach of Yuriko Koike and Netto Uyoku.


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So much for that sparkling humanistic superman image.
 
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Trump stands to save millions of dollars annually in interest on his outstanding loans on his hotels and resorts if the Federal Reserve lowers rates as he has been demanding, according to public filings and financial experts. In the 5 years before he became president, Trump borrowed more than $360 million via 4 loans from Deutsche Bank for his hotels in Washington D.C., Chicago and his Doral golf course in Florida.

The payments on all 4 properties would become significantly lower with interest rate changes, according to Trump's official financial disclosures. That means he has already benefited from falling rates that were spurred by a cut by the Fed announced in July, the first in more than a decade. His payments could drop by millions of dollars more annually if the central bank grants Trump's wish to further drop rates.

Bucking the practice of past presidents, Trump has retained ownership of his properties which lead to conflicts of interest between his personal interests and public policy goals. Most economists and business leaders say Trump's trade war is the biggest threat to the economy, not interest rates, which are already at historic low levels.
 

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Trumps has been taking money from the Saudis through his hotels too, a pretty clear violation of the emoluments clause. If Democrats really want to impeach, I think that's a better reason than obstruction of nonexistent collusion.

Y'all heard trump has proposed nuking hurricanes now? I thought it was not true until I looked into it. I want to see faux news defend that idea. That'd be such great entertainment. Reality and satire are officially indistinguishable.
 

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I’m glad he is in office instead of Hillary, that I am very thankful for, regardless.
 

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The thing about Faux News is they just don't report these kinds of things, keeping people who only watch them totally in the dark. When Trump's agriculture secretary, Sonny Purdue, went to a meeting with farmers in Minnesota, he thought it appropriate to tell a joke. "What do you call a bunch of farmers in a basement? A whine cellar." This got him booed furiously by the crowd, but it got no mention from the aforementioned news organization. Instead, they ran an interview with a farmer who said he was solidly behind Donald Trump and believed his trade policies would work. These policies are proving much worse for Americans and everybody knows it. Trump couldn't even keep to his normal lies about how only China is hurting from his trade war at the G7, saying it is the way he negotiates. "It has worked well for me in the past."
 

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Yup and my girl Tulsi cleaned her clock in the second debate


And now the DNC is screwing Tulsi out of the next debate despite the fact there are like 26 polls showing her above the 2% threshold. Only a few of those are "DNC approved" what are the criteria for being "DNC approved"? Well, it's an arbitrary secret apparantly. Tulsi was also the most Google searched candidate after both the first and second debates. I'm pretty upset about it

It's no surprise that faux news will continue to deny climate change. The fossil fuel industry spends a lot to that end. Saying the world will end in 12 years may be hyperbolic, but surely it'll be a much different world than we know.

I dont see how anyone can deny climate change at this point. CO2 is a green house gas, that's physics. We produce it at a prodigious rate. The ppm of it in the atmosphere has gone exponential. Like 8 or 9 of the hottest years on record occurred in the last decade. Like Half the great barrier reef is dead. The oceans are warming at a prodigious rate. The glaciers in Greenland are melting at a prodigious rate. I could go on and on. We won't do anything about it. Unique among the animals is our ability to model reality and predict it. Too bad we lack the will to do anything to avert the disaster we can so clearly see coming
 

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Well, the UK just flushed parliamentary democracy down the shitter.
 







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