I have a thread over in the red lasers forum called "Another Wicked Lasers victum" (I can't post links yet.) discussing my dealings with Wicked Lasers. I should have posted that thread here, but I was new to the forum. So, I just wanted to add a place holder here for those new folks that may look here for information about dealing with Wicked Lasers. I had/ still having a very bad experience so my opinion would be to avoid them. I have no actual experience with their products, just really bad customer experience/service so far. They also, do not allow you to cancel your order, even if you just placed it and call right away so be careful about that. They will tell you it already shipped. Also, it will take you many hours to actually get though on their "24/7" hotline. You can try that right away before to order to see for yourself. anyway, it's not my intention to steer anyone away from them, just document my experience to educate others.