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paul1598419

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All this concern for Hillary Clinton's health from Trump supporters makes me all warm and fuzzy inside. At this point it's all speculation. It would be better for Trump if she dropped out, but nobody believes that is going to happen. Comparing The Washington Post to anyone's blog is insulting. But, that was the idea. Them and The New York Times are the two largest newspapers in this country when you add internet subscriptions.
 



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See, these are the kind of identity politics that the Republicans have been suckering voters with for decades. Rather than have people concentrate on "real" things that impact their lives, people are content with some lame "moral victories" while they get robbed by their politicians.

The only reason there is "political correctness" is to keep make it easier to pay lip-service to the same kind of rubes in different voting blocks that think they're different. Otherwise, it's just a pain trying to appeal to everyone's petty identity politics to distract them from real issues. There's no moral victory in losing the political correctness. Now you're just distracted again and trying to blame people in the same class as yours but with different affiliations.

What I liked about Trump is that he drew attention to many of the economic decisions that negatively impact our country and its people. He was not politically correct with the political establishment and that was good. He also showed how dangerous it is to appeal to the lowest common denominator of voter identity in order to win votes. Unfortunately, the "base" that has embraced him is now feeling empowered, but for all the wrong reasons. America was "great" because it had a strong middle class with mobility, not because that occurred in a time when "political correctness" with respect to average citizens (but not political elites) was not such a big deal. But hey, I guess it's easier to allow yourself to be misdirected.
 

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Just joining this thread, (just joined the forums last week) But i am voting for Trump. I think his vast difference from the usual politician is what we need. Assuming Obama doesn't put the country into a state of martial law before the election and force himself to stay in power due to some major terrorist outbreak or some crazy shit. But I feel if Hillary were to get in, it would be more of the same shit as obama
 

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It would probably hurt Trump if Hillary dropped out. Virtually any candidate the dems could put up would be more likeable than her. The only thing keeping Trump in the race is how astonishingly bad of a candidate Hillary is. My whole family is a bunch of Democrats and none of them like her. They think she's untrustworthy, corrupt, not progressive enough and other complaints.
 

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See, these are the kind of identity politics that the Republicans have been suckering voters with for decades. Rather than have people concentrate on "real" things that impact their lives, people are content with some lame "moral victories" while they get robbed by their politicians.

The only reason there is "political correctness" is to keep make it easier to pay lip-service to the same kind of rubes in different voting blocks that think they're different. Otherwise, it's just a pain trying to appeal to everyone's petty identity politics to distract them from real issues. There's no moral victory in losing the political correctness. Now you're just distracted again and trying to blame people in the same class as yours but with different affiliations.

What I liked about Trump is that he drew attention to many of the economic decisions that negatively impact our country and its people. He was not politically correct with the political establishment and that was good. He also showed how dangerous it is to appeal to the lowest common denominator of voter identity in order to win votes. Unfortunately, the "base" that has embraced him is now feeling empowered, but for all the wrong reasons. America was "great" because it had a strong middle class with mobility, not because that occurred in a time when "political correctness" with respect to average citizens (but not political elites) was not such a big deal. But hey, I guess it's easier to allow yourself to be misdirected.
Aaaaaaand........you have completely misunderstood my post. But that's ok.
 

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Edit: I do wonder, if she were to drop out/forced out due to health issues, whether the democratic party would try to bring Sanders back.
 
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THE NEW YORK TIMES Today

ABOUT THE 'BASKET OF DEPLORABLES'

Clinton's comments Friday at a fund raiser that half of Donald Trump's supporters are in a "basket of deplorables" wasn't a smart political play. Candidates do themselves a disservice when they attack voters rather than campaigns. However, it wasn't incorrect. Donald trump is a deplorable candidate, to put it charitably, and anyone who helps him advance his racial, religious and ethnic bigotry is part of that bigotry. Period. Anyone who elevates $exism is part of that $exism. The same goes for xenophobia. You can't conveniently separate yourself from the detestable part of him because you sense in him the promise of cultural or economic advantage. Furthermore, one doesn't have to actively hate to contribute to a culture that allows hate to flourish. It doesn't matter how lovely your family, how honorable your work or service, how devote your faith, if you place ideological adherence or economic self interest above the moral imperative to condemn and denounce a demagogue, you are deplorable.
Yet, there is evidence that Trump's supporters don't simply have a passive, tacit acceptance of an undesirable platform, but have an active set of beliefs that support what is deplorable about Trump. In state after state that Trump won during the primaries more than half of his supporters believe in a ban of all Muslims and would deport all immigrants here illegally. A Reuters/Ipsos poll taken in June found nearly half of Trump's supporters believe African Americans are more violent than whites, more criminal than whites, and 40% believe they are more lazy than whites.
A Pew poll taken in February found 65% of Republicans believe the president should "speak bluntly, even if critical of Islam as a whole" when talking about Islamic extremists.
A Reuters/Ipsos poll taken in July found 58% of Trump supporters have an unfavorable view of Islam and 78% believe that Islam is more likely to encourage terrorism.
A February Public Policy Polling survey in South Carolina found Trump's support there included 80% who wanted to ban all Muslims, 62% supported creating a national database of American Muslims, 40% supported closing all Mosques in the US, 38% wished the south had won the Civil War, 32% supported making Islam illegal, 32% supported the Japanese internment during WW II, 31% supported banning all homo$exuals from entering the country.
 
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Posted September 6th 2016

Donald Trump has edged ahead of Hillary Clinton in a poll released Tuesday, the latest to reflect a tightening race as the campaigns kick into high gear after Labor Day.

The CNN/ORC poll shows Trump leading Clinton 45-43 percent in a four-way race, with Libertarian Gary Johnson at 7 percent and Green Party’s Jill Stein at 2 percent.

The numbers are a stark reversal from an early August poll that gave Clinton an 8-point lead over the Republican nominee, and the latest to show the race may be closer than it once appeared.

Last week, a Fox News Poll showed Trump trailing Clinton by just 2 points in a four-way race.

Clinton now has a roughly 2.4-point lead in the RealClearPolitics average of recent national polls in a four-way race, down from 7 points at the beginning of August. The tightening comes after a raft of critical reports about alleged favors sought by Clinton Foundation donors and allies with the State Department under Clinton's leadership.

Most recently, FBI investigative documents released Friday also fueled criticism of Clinton's use of a personal server while secretary of state.
 
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I am really looking forward to the debates, that is going to be something. Hopefully Clinton can stand up by herself then. lol :D

I don't agree with everything Trump says by any means, but do enjoy listening to him just trampling over political correctness. :D People are way to easily offended by anything and everything these days.
 
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I am also waiting to see the debates, I hope they get to ask some unscripted questions, not that Clinton will answer them, I would like to hear them asked.

Also if Clinton is too sick to attend the debates then she is too sick to be President.
 

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Some live debates would be interesting indeed. They may resolve the whole health thing since the environment is more controlled and it's hard to blame going out on the heat if everyone else in the same place is just fine.
 

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It reminds me of one of the earlier Democratic Debates when Clinton got lost on the way to the bathroom during an intermission lol.


 
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Trump ahead in one poll means nothing. Trump supporters are excited that he is losing by less, but he is still losing. The Associated Press has Clinton winning the electoral college in states that are definitely leaning Democratic by 273 electoral votes while Trump has a solid 191 electoral votes. These don't count the toss up states of Florida, Iowa, Nevada, and Ohio. So, if Trump wins all the toss up states he still loses. Trump has already started making excuses for the debates saying that they are "rigged" against him. There are 57 days left until the election. The big deal about Clinton being too sick to be president has already lost steam. She had been diagnosed Friday with pneumonia and her doctor said she fainted from being dehydrated on Sunday. She is now taking her doctor's advice and resting for the next few days. Trump still won't release his doctor's records, but promised today that he will release some in the next few days. He also refuses to release his tax returns and though his campaign has said that he has donated millions of dollars to try to deflect the expose' by the Washington Post about his charitable foundation, which has shown that he hasn't donated any of his own money from that place, when asked by many news outlets to prove any of this, no one has even returned a single call. Trump is hiding much more than Clinton ever did as her records have been out there for a long time.
 

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Trump is surging ahead in several polls and he can win, he has jumped quite a bit recently and lets see what it looks like after the debates, but...... will we get a fair vote count?

I keep hearing the liberal polls are slanted and the voting fraud is already an issue, personally I don't think Clinton is fit to serve, not even physically, but lets wait and see.

Congress has subpoenaed the FBI to answer for their sheltering the criminal Clinton with unfair preferential treatment and neglect of duty.

Martha Stewart went to jail for a lie and we already know Clinton has lied because she told different stories.

If this travesty of justice concludes with that criminal installed as POTUS then there is no telling what may happen, the working class " deplorables " may just revolt against this above the law Queen who is owned by super wealthy special interest, and they will avoid the taxes you want imposed on the honest wealthy who earn theirs.

Hillary is the wealthy's insider puppet and all this political spin is just to fool the have nots, but they will get nothing from Hillary, to her they are just more deplorable peasant tools to be used and lied to.
 
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My understanding was that the FBI director had already been to the House to answer questions. The new emails they released didn't have any new information on them, so another Republican investigation could just be a ruse to make Clinton look guilty of something she's not. Republicans have been investigating the Clintons since they got the House back in 1994 with nothing to show for it. They started out with the Whitewater real estate deal and it just went on a tangent from there. It was literally one thing after another. They impeached Bill, but couldn't convict. He still left office with a budget surplus, something no president had done in the last or this century. After awhile it is no longer a conspiracy theory, but a conspiracy.
 

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Even the betting houses are moving the odds, Clinton is falling behind.

You understand wrong, Congress just subpoenaed the FBI for all their 302 forms and others related to Clintons testimony/lies, it's not hard to see she lies when she says 2 conflicting things that can not both be true.

The FBI may not admit to putting Clinton under oath during questioning, but any written deposition and Congress did put Clinton under oath. Clintons lies are criminal. It's been a matter of a complicate justice department, but now it can go straight to a federal judge.

Maybe her Parkinson's/neurological disease will prove she lacked intent for her lies? She did claim not to be able to recall many times due to her head injury, and when asked if there were others besides that 2012 fall and concussion by a Fox reporter on the phone, Clinton said, not really and not that she can recall, very typical TELLS of a liar who knows they are lying and that other evidence could exist.


The FACT that Hillary Clinton told the FBI that she could not recall all briefings on preserving documents because of her concussion is a sign that she is compromised in doing her job or serving as President.

In December of 2012, Clinton suffered a concussion and then around the New Year had a blood clot (in her head). Based on her doctor's advice, she could only work at State for a few hours a day and could not recall every briefing she received," the report said.

According to the report, Clinton told the FBI that she did not set up a private server to handle classified email.


After her use of a private email system became public knowledge in March 2015, Clinton repeatedly said she did not use it to send or receive classified information. The government forbids handling such information outside secure channels.

The FBI has since concluded Clinton was wrong to say that: At least 81 email threads contained information that was classified at the time, although the final number may be more than 2,000, the report says. Some of the emails appear to include discussion of planned future attacks by unmanned U.S. military drones, the FBI report shows.

"CLINTON believed the classification level of future drone strikes depended on the context," the FBI's interview summary said. The U.S. government requires that military plans be classified.

The FBI released its report on Friday afternoon before the Labor Day holiday weekend, a time many Americans are preparing to travel.


>>> http://www.businessinsider.com/r-fb...ted-to-its-clinton-email-investigation-2016-9
 
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