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They're both basically the same thing, though ELIZA's responses are pre-programmed. CleverBot uses human input and an algorithm to generate responses.
If asked a question, it will browse it's conversation history and find a conversation where it asked the question, and reply to the current user with most or
all of the other user's answer. For example:

Conversation 1, 12/08/2015
CleverBot: "What do you enjoy?"
User 1: "I enjoy sports, mostly basketball."

Conversation 2, 12/10/2015
User 2: "What do you like?"
CleverBot: "I enjoy basketball."

Now that's not a real conversation AFAIK, but it gives you an idea of how it works.

It doesn't really "think", it just spits out slightly modified human input. Though we are making progress, and sooner or later we're going to have to
start making phased plasma rifles in the 40 watt range. :yh:
 



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I am voting for Trump.

The democratic choices are unworkable One is so corrupt that she belongs in prison or at least in a third world dictatorship. The other is promoting aggressive socialism. This is not working anywhere and doubling down is not going to improve anything other than strengthen the magnet that is attracting the entire population of Latin America across our borders.

Jeb Bush, Rubio, Kacish and Christie are all likely to follow the path of GW Bush. That means growing government, sketchy or even dishonest border controls and poor US positioning regarding international trade. Fiorina sounds way to militaristic each time I here her speak. Carson is a joke. The breadth of his education is lacking as evidenced by his Pyramid speech. His youthful violence and his markedly slow speech make you wonder what he is on or how much control he is having to muster to prevent him from taking out a knife during an interview. While in Med school, I met many affirmative action students that simply did not belong, could not keep up and were ushered along despite marginal performance. He reminds me of them; not stupid, just not that bright.

Trump is far from perfect, but he has all the right enemies. The Democratic and Republican establishment hate and fear him. The press has little power over him and the PC crowd is flummoxed by him. The petition in the UK to ban him is heavily promoted in Muslim districts. Funny, don't you think that a petition is generated to keep someone out because he is being accused of trying to keep someone out?

I seriously fear that the current leadership of the western wold is living on borrowed time. The existing populations are not reproducing, the economies are stagnant and the national policies seem cloned. If this continues, I do not think the western world will disappear or as Sarkozy hopes the world population will be forced "for the good of the world" to be come a single race. No, there will be revolt, revolution and millions and millions will die. But Berry doesn't care as long as Hawaii stays out of most of it.

Angry yet?
 

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I am voting for Trump.

The democratic choices are unworkable One is so corrupt that she belongs in prison or at least in a third world dictatorship. The other is promoting aggressive socialism. This is not working anywhere and doubling down is not going to improve anything other than strengthen the magnet that is attracting the entire population of Latin America across our borders.

Jeb Bush, Rubio, Kacish and Christie are all likely to follow the path of GW Bush. That means growing government, sketchy or even dishonest border controls and poor US positioning regarding international trade. Fiorina sounds way to militaristic each time I here her speak. Carson is a joke. The breadth of his education is lacking as evidenced by his Pyramid speech. His youthful violence and his markedly slow speech make you wonder what he is on or how much control he is having to muster to prevent him from taking out a knife during an interview. While in Med school, I met many affirmative action students that simply did not belong, could not keep up and were ushered along despite marginal performance. He reminds me of them; not stupid, just not that bright.

Trump is far from perfect, but he has all the right enemies. The Democratic and Republican establishment hate and fear him. The press has little power over him and the PC crowd is flummoxed by him. The petition in the UK to ban him is heavily promoted in Muslim districts. Funny, don't you think that a petition is generated to keep someone out because he is being accused of trying to keep someone out?

I seriously fear that the current leadership of the western wold is living on borrowed time. The existing populations are not reproducing, the economies are stagnant and the national policies seem cloned. If this continues, I do not think the western world will disappear or as Sarkozy hopes the world population will be forced "for the good of the world" to be come a single race. No, there will be revolt, revolution and millions and millions will die. But Berry doesn't care as long as Hawaii stays out of most of it.

Angry yet?
i don't disagree with all of that, some of it i do, however i don't hate any of it. the only thing i have to say is this: it would be one of the worst things in history if trump is elected. hes so similar to hitler its actually scary. i don't want to imagine what america would be like by 2020.
 

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One thing I know, for the most part, the media are tightly coupled to the money, they lie, misrepresent and manipulate us as paid liars for those in power and or have the money. If they hate Trump, I'm all for giving him a try.
 
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I don't believe Trump is similar to Hitler any more than I do believe he is. I don't believe anything he says. I do believe he panders to those that identify with Hitler's motives and/or actions along with other types of people. But I don't think Trump is special in that regard. I typically don't believe what any politician says.

i don't disagree with all of that, some of it i do, however i don't hate any of it. the only thing i have to say is this: it would be one of the worst things in history if trump is elected. hes so similar to hitler its actually scary. i don't want to imagine what america would be like by 2020.
 

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I don't believe Trump is similar to Hitler any more than I do believe he is. I don't believe anything he says. I do believe he panders to those that identify with Hitler's motives and/or actions along with other types of people. But I don't think Trump is special in that regard. I typically don't believe what any politician says.
i don't know man, trump is scary...
 

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One thing I know, for the most part, the media are tightly coupled to the money, they lie, misrepresent and manipulate us as paid liars for those in power and or have the money. If they hate Trump, I'm all for giving him a try.
That's 100% correct, people that only watch American news sources are making a terrible mistake, and sticking your head in the sand and ignoring the news because it's too negative will only let the problem get worse, one day soon you will wake up and ask What Happened! when you should have seen it coming.

I don't know if I trust Trump, I don't trust any republicans or democrats, but he would be the lesser of two evils.

And this thing going on in the U.K. Is bullshit that is really pissing me off.

'Ban Donald Trump' petition passes half a million as Republican hopeful calls for death penalty for all cop killers | People | News | The Independent

Donald Trump wins more support in US as petition to ban him from the UK passes half million signatures - Telegraph

If he had made the statements while in the U.K. Then if they consider it hate speech then they have every right to ban him, but U.K. law doesn't extend to what U.S. citizens do while here in the U.S. so he can't be guilty of hate speech in the U.K. this is an internal matter for the U.S. to decide. If the U.K. Parliament even decides to debate this issue wether they ban him or not I will boycott all imported goods from the U.K. And I urge other Americans to do the same, and don't travel there or fly on one of their airlines, take your vacation somewhere else. They should know anyway that it will only greatly increase his popularity and improve his chance of becoming president so I doubt they will do it.

I myself don't object to allowing Muslims into the U.S. but now we should have a way of screening them and keeping track of them for a long time before granting them permanent residence. As the third largest country in the world we do have a responsibility to take in refugees.

Alan
 

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One thing I am sure of, money won't buy Trump, that alone is enough for me to vote for him even if he has been acting like an idiot in some areas.
 

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ANYONE other than that criminal tyrant Hillary scumbag Clinton.

The guy that picks up my garbage, the I will work for food guy on the side of the road, the girl who took my order at McDonalds, I mean
IN KNEE WON besides that evil 8itch.
 

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I'm sorry starlight, despite the nice graphic, the comparison is inaccurate and is an attempt to draw the observer with distortions. As an example, you do not mention that they are both men, they both sport unusual hairdos and they are probably not gay. I could go on. Trump does not blame Muslims for America's problems. He blames the elitist government for most of our problems (he never attributes this to our presidents skin color). He fears (as do most Americans and rightly so) the demonstrated aggressive political manifestations of Muslims, 50% want to be able to choose Sharia law and 25% want to use violence to get it.

Promises to make America great again. What, want him to promise to make it worse? Or, as Obama said FUNDAMENTALLY transform America? This was vague, but now it is not and it is despicable.

Deportations of Jewish citizens is the same as the deportations of illegal invaders? Deportations are promised not based on any religious or ethnic group, but on the basis that they are ILLEGAL. The fact that most are coming through our Mexican border is a manifestation of President Kennedy's acts in 1965. Muslims that want to come to the US for good or bad are not citizens. We are not obligated to accept them and a moratorium is prudent. Obama is reckless and anti-American. He alone used racism to rise to power. Does anyone here think this inexperienced man would have been president or survived a second term if he wasn't black? Come on. It is also why he has not been impeached.

The entire establishment including Hollywood, the media and our federal government is obsessed with race and gender ("we NEED a woman president, so vote for Hillery...nothing to see here"). Like global warming or whatever they want to call IT now, these are the coins that the corrupt use to intimidate the citizens to act, not in their own best interests, but according to the wishes of the elite. The Clinton's have made hundreds of millions "serving the people" and Al Gore flies around in his private jet admonishing us to lower our standard of living. Despite their disdain, Americans are not stupid and despite every attempt to distract them they are beginning to react.

This comparison to Hitler is specious. You asked who's up for bankruptcy? The US government that's who. Try 20T in debt, huge unfunded liabilities a gutted manufacturing base and the importation of millions of third world dependents. Name your choice for a president and how you see him (or her) addressing this.
 
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@RedCowboy I've said this before. It never ceases to amaze me that the truth regarding the Mr. & Mrs. two man crime family to which you refer does not remain in the public conversation.

@EVEERYONE I think everyone can agree that the saddest facts are:

1) Americans are relatively illiterate. They don't know American let alone World history. Many get their news from one national source and never think to look elsewhere.

2) The government is bloated and essentially grid locked.

3) Some fundamental changes have to be made like getting rid of the Fed, creating term limits, revamping campaign finance, doing away with the two party system to name a few.

4) It is really pathetic that not a single candidate of either party has the statesman like qualities of some other world leaders. While I get a kick out of Trump's "in your face" statements to which many people respond because they are sick of political correctness, he comes off as impetuous and a clown. He is certainly not a statesman.

5) Worst of all, only about 55 percent of those eligible to vote did. Almost half the country does not exercise its right to vote. When one looks at voter turn out since it was first analyzed, the percentages have varied markedly over the years. The fact is that for the most part, almost half of those eligible to vote have not done so for most of our country's history. Just think of what that suggests.

Finally, does anyone know what it means to be a "jack Mormon?" Well, the sense of it someone who in brief was baptized into the faith but essentially does not follow its precepts; Mormon in name only one might say.

There is a similar term for Jews. The joke in NYC among reformed Jews, as Lenny Bruce used to say, "so reformed that they are ashamed they are Jewish," is "high holy day Jews." They are Jews who go to Synagogue only during those two holidays. Question: If one were to follow the Old Testament literally, children who do not obey their parents should be taken out and stoned to death. A similar fate should be meted out to an adulterous. So, if a Jew does not stone his disobedient kid to death, does that make him not a Jew because he is not following he law? (I am raising a question, not trying to provide an answer.)

There are probably some terms for Christians of a similar nature, such as being "lukewarm." If the Bible both old and new testament are followed literally, should the old laws apply, as for the Jews as in the examples above? Or, did Christ with His sin offering and new covenant do away with those laws? One can find various statements in the Bible to support or reject this premise. The new testament tells those who believe in Jesus to spread the gospel to those who are unsaved. It never tells Christians to do this violently although those who brought us the Crusades did their best to find biblical statements to support the idea, albeit I believe very poorly.

I don't know how many of you have read the Koran and I can't say that I have read every word, but I have read a lot of it and read some scholarly books about it. There many conflicting statements in the Koran. What I have understood from my reading is that new statements supersede the old statements. The bottom line is that the Koran demands that Islam be spread violently if necessary. If a Muslim's attempt to make a Christian reject Christ cannot be accomplished by persuasion, killing that individual is not only appropriate but necessary according to the Koran.

The bottom line is that there is no such think as moderate anything. You either follow the doctrine of your religion or you don't. This means there is no such thing as a moderate Muslim. A moderate Muslim is equivalent to a Jack Mormon. It means he is not following the Koran literally but rather choosing to interpret it his own way. In fact, he is really a Jack Muslim.

I think this is the basis for Trump's statement.
 
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Andrew,
Well said.
The low voter turn out is, I believe more the symptom than the cause. In many totalitarian states, 100% voter turn out is "enforced". The typical voter in the US does not see a significant reason to vote. The parties are so similar that the choice will make little difference in their lives. Have you heard of the Florida Healthcare billionaire that is shifting his support from Jeb to Hillery?
It's the federal statists vs us. The party is largely irrelevant and the voter has poor choices by design. Trump resides somewhere outside that design.

I agree he is no statesman and has other faults, but what do you do if there are no better alternatives?

I have indeed read the Koran (I got a nice translation for my wife for Christmas). We are a very political family and in any case, that move struck me as a little ironic.

Islam is indeed a threat. Not only "extremists", but anyone that follows the Koran accepts to some degree its teachings. The greater the zealotry the more aggressive the potential impact on the world. Let me just go ahead and say it and strike another sacred cow while I'm at it (to blend a third religious tradition). How is importing Muslims, any Muslims, into this country good for this country? This is not rhetorical and although it is a touchy subject, I am really asking. To return to Hitler for a moment. He was considered by many of his followers to be a Savior. Does that mean that we were wrong to prevent Nazis from entering this country? That IS a rhetorical question.:yh:
 

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Sorry planters I did not make the picture I posted. I only did because of the accurate description of trump in both. I come from a family of politics also and have never missed voting day.

I can say for sure trump will not or ever be president and also can tell you it's gonna be a democrat again that's for sure. The right wing is so far up religious asses they may never see the light of day again, they are demented no doubt about it. Can't mix politics and religion but they do.
 

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@planters
Sacred cows?! lol To wit, another way of saying politically correct.

I will go you one step further as one of those reformed Jews, for the longest time I realized that Israelis were using the holocaust as a deed to Palestine. The truth turns out to be far worse and unfortunately way too long a tale to tell here.

1) Jews, that is those who profess to follow the Jewish faith should know that God banished them from Israel as prophet Isiah told them. The Jews were living as exiles throughout the vast Babylonian Empire which Isaiah perceived as the four corners of the world when Ezra brought only 3 tribes back to the land of Israel in 536 BC. These were the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi. The other tribes were lost forever. Just prior to 70 AD, Herod destroyed the remaining tribal records, especially those of Levi, the priestly tribe. The significance of the last statement is that not a single Jew living today can claim that he belongs to any particular tribe.

A Jew who is following his faith should know that he has not right of return to what was Palestine prior to the declaration of the Jewish state. The land does not belong to him.

2) There are those who follow the Jewish faith and those who are Zionists which is an entirely different matter the history of which I will not get into. Suffice it to say that the political movement of Zionism coupled with the skulduggery of the British Crown evolved into the terrorism of David Ben-Gorian and his fellow Zionists who literally stole the land and possessions of those Arabs who were living legally and peacefully side by side with Jews who happened to be living there at the time.

3) Since that time the state of Israel has embarked upon a campaign of genocide against the Palestinians backed up US support.

4) They use propaganda and the ever ready accusation of antisemitism to do whatever they want.

5) The US is full of Zionists who have either infiltrated or influence the government, the media, and American life.

6) The irony is that according to a recent study, Palestinians demonstrate DNA which is shared with Serphardic Jews. What a surprise!

The US has to stop giving money to Israel.

Americans must be educated regarding the pervasive nature of Zionist/Israeli influence on American society and politics.

The US has to re-open the case of the USS Liberty ultimately making very clear what we already know to be true, that the ship was deliberately attacked by Israel.
 




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