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@ Olympus Mons, Looks like fun, were you bench rested ? Was that rapid fire?
Keep practicing and try different ammo, I don't have a 300 blackout yet but I can see where it could be good in a pistol length where it won't lose too much velocity or if you wanted to go heavy and use a quiet can, I had a kel-Tec PLR in 223 but it was a very noisy flame thrower and not all that accurate, besides you want to keep 223 above 2400 and going from 16 inch to 7.5 you go from 3100 to 1900 and that's a lot to lose. What's your twist rate and what ammo were you using? I think a lot of people go too heavy in 300, I would want to match 7.62x39 as much as possible, maybe 110gr at 2200fps in a rifle, I have seen those loads listed for sale in 300 but again, I don't know the 300 twist rates.


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Anyone own one of these DDI 12ga ?







I have looked at the Akdal 1919 as well as that Chinese catamount fury and Tri-Star but they look sketchy, the Molot Vepr's are good but twice the price and there is a 2000 dollar fostech origin 12 that has tested well but this DDI is built on a solid design, uses existing mags and is priced 599, I want to get one, anyone know any reason why not or of anything better?
I demand as close to 100% reliability as possible, reliability is my #1 concern.
Thanks.

>>>>> DDI-12 Shotgun
 
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I like this short version of a XTR-12




Otherwise I vote for this $850 VEPR-12


Having smithed (torn gas blocks off, drilled gas ports, ground grams of metal from bolt and chamber to reshape them) many a Siaga and Vepr I can say that likely any of the various (AK type) 12ga can be made to run 100%.

I assume for the same effort most of the other 12ga can be made to run 100% as well but other than the 1919 that is just a rehash of the 1187 operating system (and basically only so workable) I haven't "smithed" the others.
 
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That looks very cool, that's a SBS isn't it?

Are the UTAS XTR's direct impingement driven?

Can you get larger than the 7 round box?

I like the 20 round drums I can get for the saiga/DDI and likely the MOLOT VEPR, also the adjustable gas piston is a robust design, I would only run double/triple ought buck and slugs keeping the gas adjusted for the heavy loads


>>>>> https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/utas-xtr-12-semi-auto-shotgun-12ga-185bbl-7rds-blk-851799004355.do?sortby=ourPicks&refType=&from=Search


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Looking at it some more I really want the last round bolt hold open, I think I will have to go with something else, even though the DDI is a gas piston driven gun it lacks the last round bolt hold open and it won't load on a closed chamber, it's just a mag follower notch to operate the hold open that's missing, I could likely modify one, but there's a lot of good stuff coming.
 
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@RC- My barrel twist rate is 1/7 and ammo is 147 grain. I agree and for hunting use 110 grain but bulk affordable ammo seems to usually be 147 grain.

Those targets were bench rest and not rapid fire. I really love the trigger I bought from Stoner. Cant beat the crisp break it has for just $60. I didn't want to go too high end for this rifle as Im saving the funds for when my SBR stamp arrives. That ar-15 Im going to do up pretty high end. I bought the lower from Radical Firearms and the upper and 8" barrel are BCM.

I'm going to to buy the trigger group and front handguard from Black Rain Ordnance. My check was just cashed from the ATF for my silencer for this SBR. I plan on making the suppressor integral with just a couple inches of the can sticking out from the hand guard like the last rifle in the pic below. I really like that look and I shoot free standing with my front arm pretty extended so wouldn't be able to do that with an 8" handguard.

 
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That's a nice looking rig.
I would love to push for the repeal of all the GCA's and NFA's and truly restore the law " Shall not be infringed! " then maybe new firearms would come with integral silencers or as an option, although I would never want to be limited to sub sonic ammo.

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I just renewed with Gun Owners of America , they are a no compromise organization who wants to restore our rights and 2017 looks like a good time to get it done.

It is amazing how quiet some of those are, here's a video I saw recently.
 
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@RC- Nice video. It truly is amazing. I don't really plan on using subsonic ammo that often. Even with super sonic ammo today's suppressors make them ear safe for no hearing protection as well as give the feral hog hunter a massive advantage. You can herd the sounder with the impact of the rounds. They can't hear the report of the "smack". I have NV plans for doing pig hunting but thats really expensive and will have to be a long term goal. Id prefer to go thermal scope, PVS-14 monocular for moving around and spotting, and IR D-bal or PEC-15 IR laser.


Another reason I chose and love 300 BLK. No need to do anything to your bolt or gas block to run suppressed. So that's why I'll build my sbr integral. I doubt Ill ever have a reason to not use it un-suppressed.

I'm new to cans. You have some yes Cowboy?

And I fully agree and hope our 2nd amendment is fully restored. I really hope Trump gets SBR's and cans OFF the NFA. ITs a stupid ruling. Does nothing. People think silencers are simply an assassin's tool. They watch too many James Bond movies in which the gun goes "pew pew" and sounds like a laser. Suppressed hunting is growing faster than than the sport of hunting itself. It just makes sense.

edited to add- My CCW just came. Its been a 5 month wait. I've never gotten my permit in the past and when Hillary was in the running I decided to get everything I can. Can's SBR's and CCW's. I don't yet have a concealable handgun. I'm thinking about the Walther CCP to carry. I sold my Glock 23. Personally I have zero love for the .40 cal. Im replacing it with the G19.
 
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No, I don't own any silencers.

I already resent having to fill out purchase paperwork and renew my carry permit, but I do and I obey all the rules, but I also support repealing these infringing acts that don't solve any problems.

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I enjoy shooting the 40, 9mm and 45, I can't say that I dislike any of them.

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I know with rifle silencers you get more gas back pressure and can turn down your gas port adjustment, with DI guns you get more soot with full strength ammo, you can see it in the videos, I might run a heavier buffer spring if the BCG is bottoming out, it's something to read about.
 
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I enjoy shooting the 40, 9mm and 45, I can't say that I dislike any of them.

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I know with rifle silencers you get more gas back pressure and can turn down your gas port adjustment, with DI guns you get more soot with full strength ammo, you can see it in the videos, I might run a heavier buffer spring if the BCG is bottoming out, it's something to read about.
My hands are pretty small so the 40 cal G23 was too jumpy. 2-3 shot groups we difficult to keep tight for me. I bought the 23 when I worked at the Gun shop in the early 90's when LEO was moving away from the 10mm to .40 cal for the same reasons. Only they then found themselves in the same boat with the .40 so went back to the 9mm. What did that whole u-turn cost the tax payers? lol. It was all in response to the FBI killings in which the agents were out powered. In response to the tragic deaths of 2 of the 3 federal agents they felt 9mm did not have enough dropping power even though the perps we're all fatally hit they did not go down right away and were able to continue the fight resulting in the murder of the agents. Fast fwd a decade and the stats and studies showed the .40's extra oomf wasn't worth the trade off for accuracy. The .40 also didn't do what it was expected to do as far as knock down power much more effectively than the 9mm. So back they all came. I'd guess this is not new information for you RC but maybe others may find it interesting.

Also since my other SBR is the Sig MPX I can buy bulk 9mm ammo to use in both guns and 9mm is cheaper and more available in 1000 round bundles.

I have read up some on the blowback from gasses with the suppressor's I bought. So far all the videos I have watched on this hasn't been an issue with the AR platform in 300BLK. I am considering buying a BCG that has an adjustment for suppressed .223 to improve cycling so I can sue the can and bolt if I build a .223 upper. Its not an issue with the 300 blk but cycling is not as smooth with .223 which I find strange considering its more or less the same casing. I would assume that the size of the actual bullet changes things. But by changing out the BCG to an adjustable one would mean in theory I can use the same buffer spring. Its much easier to fiddle with the bolt than the buffer.

Have you posted any pics of some of your collection on here? Also what is your choice of concealed carry handguns you prefer? Although I haven't ever carried in public the pawn/gun shop I worked at was in a pretty rough part of the city so we were all required to carry at work as well as given a vest to wear if we wanted to which we all did especially after an armed robbery attempt. Hard to believe anyone would be stupid enough to consider holding up a gun shop but criminals aren;t always known for the high IQ's. Luckily not a shot was fired and we we're able to change their minds pretty fast with the help of a Street Sweeper and full auto mac 11.

They assumed we didn't speak spanish but our check cashing cashier at the loan counter spoke fluent spanish and over heard them discussing that they knew we had body armor on so to aim for the head. She quickly but calmly walked over to our side of the shop and told us what was about to go down and we got out the heavy arms from under the counters and stood our ground. They chose wisely that day and happily everyone went home safe and in one piece. We turned over the in store camera footage to the police and turned out these 2 we're suspected of robbing 2 other pawn shops at gun point. They we're 2 bit junkies that had more balls than brains and wouldn't have fared so well had they tried it.
 
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RC- Nice collection my friend. I really like the feel of the full sized Glocks. Its a hard call to make 17 or 19 for me. But I don't have the funds for both so better to go with something I can carry like the 19.
I agree its best to walk away without incident and TBH carrying isn't very comfortable and a lot of extra caution and pre-thought is needed if one carries a firearm. No stopping for a drink after work, can't enter a bank or federal/ state buildings ext. But as a cash only proprietor who works in a very heavily drug and street people area I do feel the need to be smart about things. In the summer I work till midnight at times and take public transportation. This past summer I stopped a person from trying to break into the building I work in on the second floor. It got me thinking. Had I not left our suite to use the bathroom and did not hear the person trying to pry the doors open on the main floor I would have been in a situation I'd care not to be in. It was late at night and I was alone in the building and had this person enter my suite, I'd have no exit other than the door the person is now blocking my path from. It definitely made me think.

Thats a nice collection you have there. Love that M&P
 

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Every time I buy a NIB firearm lately it comes with a hammer lock key or a slide lock key and I hate those, I also hate trigger disconnects that actuate when the magazine is disengaged, I think the single most important safety is between our ears, also known as a brain, many of these locks have hidden dangers and good reasons why we would be better off without them.

Actually I typically won't buy a firearm that has a magazine removal hammer disconnect freture, even though you can " repair " it, you could possibly set yourself up for a lawsuit if you ever sell it or even if it got stolen and some moron hurt themselves,
but I am stacking up these silly cable locks, anyone have a use for these? Target practice maybe?

 

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Every time I buy a NIB firearm lately it comes with a hammer lock key or a slide lock key and I hate those, I also hate trigger disconnects that actuate when the magazine is disengaged, I think the single most important safety is between our ears, also known as a brain, many of these locks have hidden dangers and good reasons why we would be better off without them.

Actually I typically won't buy a firearm that has a magazine removal hammer disconnect freture, even though you can " repair " it, you could possibly set yourself up for a lawsuit if you ever sell it or even if it got stolen and some moron hurt themselves,
but I am stacking up these silly cable locks, anyone have a use for these? Target practice maybe?

Actually in some countries those are the law to have, especially during gun shows. Also trigger locks must be used as well for storage as well.
Personally I think it's overkill... I don't use a lock on my Vz58. or my M&P 9mm or my colt 1911 at home ( they're locked into a vault.) I just make sure that when I go to the range the lock goes on incase I am ever asked what I am packing. :beer:
 

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I carry mine to the range in hard cases and some in soft cases, always unloaded with breech flags inserted, some ranges want the action visibly open and say latched open even though some firearms don't latch open, but the safety flags have never been a problem and serve the same purpose.

As for at home storage, it's my opinion that it should always be the homeowners responsibility and choice as to how they store and safeguard their weapons, " BUT KNOW YOUR LOCAL LAWS " local laws vary greatly.

There are plenty of good options if you have children, for instance you could have a "ready safe" with a key code lock that contains loaded firearms and loaded magazines that can be retrieved quickly with the entry of an unlock code.

There is no need to employ a safeguard that compromises the readiness of the weapon unless it's all someone has and they decide it's necessary for child proofing in their home. But some Cities have storage laws, so again know your local laws.

As for transporting again " KNOW YOUR LOCAL LAWS " they vary greatly and change from time to time.
Interstate transport is another matter all together as there is peaceable journey included in our Constitutional rights, in my State you can carry in your vehicle a loaded pistol in plain view or in a glove box without any permit needed, however rifles must be transported unloaded in a vehicle, however you can open carry a long gun loaded without any permit needed.

Now in California a firearm must be unloaded and locked in a case that's cable locked to a seat bracket and you many not carry a single round of ammunition while transporting a firearm.

My point to all readers who don't already know is these laws change and are not the same State to State, so know the law.

I am very safety conscious, but I also have at the ready loaded weapons as is my right, and I know it's my responsibility to make certain that a visitor with a child can't access those weapons.

The reason I save some of those silly cable locks is just in case things change and I find myself needing one, things change and it's best to be prepared.
 

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Bought my CCW carry pistol. Decided on the Glock 19 gen 4. I like the pistol grip rear options and went with the beaver tail. Feels perfect in my hand. I also like the finger grooves the gen 4 has. Im going to replace the trigger with Haley Strategic's trigger group. It duplicates the trigger action of a 1911 which IMO is one of the best triggers I've ever shot. I wish I never sold my Colt 1991 A1.

 
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So when you rack it you don't have the DA sensation of compressing the striker spring? It's as if you have already fired the 1st shot and are at the reset to start with?

I don't know if I would EDC that unless you were going to carry without one in the pipe, which I don't recommend, that's the real beauty of the Glock is having one in the pipe and having that safe action DA style pull for the 1st shot, I have practiced enough that I can feel the short reset and blaze away reset to reset after that 1st pull through as that is the only safety other than the trigger bar deal and the drop safety that could be lost if you remove the pretravle, and where would that sit with the kit, is it already past the trigger safety bar? It would just about have to be, or do you remove it?

I will look it up but that sounds scary for EDC unless you carry without one in the pipe, which again is a bad idea for 2 reasons, one being in some States the act of racking is considered time enough for you to retreat.

I will have too look that up and see how it works but the factory Glock is a good set up, some people install the lower weight set and polish all the contact points to a mirror shine, but doing away with the safe action for the 1st shot if that's what that kit does sounds like a risk and if the bar is pre traveled you could lose the drop safety.

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I have a 1911 that I bought from a individual at a gun show that has such a light trigger that it's dangerous, I remember the 1st time I shot it, I loaded it and racked a round and when I just touched the trigger I got an instant double tap.

Now it's a great hole puncher at the range, but in a real life or death adrenaline pumping situation that trigger is way too light in my opinion.

I do love my Glocks, both model 22's Gen 3 as they are at the ready safe action, no fumbling when needed and the factory pull and reset are just fine for EDC, now my AR's I like a light pull with zero take up and virtually no over travel with a short crisp reset so I can lay down some rounds.
There's a grip screw you can order from Brownelles that has a hollow core with a threaded center long screw so you can tune your over travel, I use non permanent Loctite on most everything, and a KIDD or Volquartsen in your 10/22 is great, but for EDC pistols I like at least 5-6 pounds just for safety sake.

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http://www.haleystrategic.com/haley-strategic-skimmer-trigger

Says it reduces the 1st shot travel, but it may not eliminate it and 5.5 pounds is fine....I was just thinking about that ultra polished 1911 in condition 1 without any safety...yikes

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Yes it should be fine, they didn't remove all the pre travel and the drop safety is not disabled where it sits they said, you know the round button on the inside of the upper that the hicky on the trigger bar engages, I wondered if they changed the factory geometry to really shorten it and still not pre disable the drop safety, but I don't think so, it looks like just polished factory parts and they give you a slightly lighter pull weight, but if the reset is shorter as well that could be nice, but I don't even notice it on mine, it's already pretty short although my brother in law says his Gen 2 is different feeling so maybe on a Gen 4 it really helps if they lengthened it, looks safe though. :beer:

You can learn to bump fire not that it's useful for anything, but with just a " 25 cent trigger job " Brandon here has a technique, I think he holds one finger behind the trigger as well to reduce the reset travel as well.


 
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@Redcowboy- you we're correct sorry I should have explained the features of the trigger better.
I have always liked the simplicity yet safe design of the Glocks. I always carry with one in the pipe. In fact I feel its foolish not too. I went with the G19 as it is a decent size for concealed carry but when I have the money I am going to buy the M&P sub compact 9mm. Cabela's had a factory upgraded model with fiber optic front sights and enhanced trigger. The trigger was incredibly smooth with a crisp break. I loved it. But having only the funds for one or the other ATM I prefered a high capacity over single stack and will deal with the extra bulk till summer time.
I was interested in the Walther CCP but the M&P caught my eye and of the two, I much prefered the feel of the M&P.
Do you have any experience with either of those sub compacts Cowboy?

Also for those in support to restoring our 2nd amendment rights this petition still needs more signatures before Feb 19th to require a formal response from the White House.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/repeal-nfa

Also I urge gun enthusiast and defenders of the 2nd to look into the Hearing Protection Act bill which will be going before the House and Senate very soon. It will remove sound suppressors from the NFA and make them available to buy with simply the Universal Background check like buying a firearm. We still need 6 more yay votes in the Senate to get it to President Trumps desk in which he has said he will happily sign it. Suppressed hunting is a fast growing sport and is good for the environment not being disrupted and stressing out the animals as well as protecting hunters hearing. As any hunter knows its not too often you have the time to fumble to put on hearing protection. Also It is a good thing to educate those not familiar with these devices as Hollywood BS has people thinking they make a gun silent with the James Bond-ish pew pew report. This is not the case. It simply makes the report ear safe and I see no reason why suppressors should require a tax stamp, 9-16 months wait and a shit load of paper work. The term "silencer" is misleading and a anti gun protectionist propaganda term used to mislead the public. I have written both my US Senators a polite email explaining my reasons to support this bill and why I feel they should too. If you do email your representatives always be polite and professional.
Thanks

We finally have a pro 2nd President and although I did not vote for the man he is my president and I hope he does the things he says. One of those being stopping the fact and data shown utter ineffectiveness of things like magazine bans, import bans, and attempts to tell us what guns we do and do not need. The AR 15 platform is not an assault rifle it is a sporting rifle. The assault rifle is by its original definition, full auto machine guns. The anti gunners did a bait and switch years ago with this label and its time to stop this pointless attack on our constitutional rights.
 
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The S&W is a good gun, I have owned a lot of Rugers and Sigs but love my Glocks, I have started to collect compacts and there is a lot available right now. I miss my super redhawk in 44mag but it was just not practical and I got a good trade for it, but it felt so good in my hands and shook the walls at the range with 1000+ foot pound loads, but 80 cents a shot and up sucks.

I use CTD cheaper than dirt to price shop then go to youtube and watch scotch or Hickok45 do testing, I have my eye on a few, if that SCCY CPX2 gets the last of it's reliability issues worked out for 249.00 I may get one, well I do love a metal frame with an external hammer and a wheel gun feels so right but they are not practical/tactical or comfortable to conceal except the air weight snubs but they are old kit really, striker fired polymers are the way of the future and they just flat out work, the flex built into the polymer lowers lends to high reliability and it outlasts metal that fractures in long use testing such as rental guns at ranges.

There's a bargain Smith I see for 299.00 but the rounds rattle in the mags, but they do work otherwise. SD9VE, that's the rattler, you have to do your homework as there are so many Glock style guns now, century and zastava have some good reviews on some nice looking guns, I still like a full metal pistol LOL.

I think my next buy will be a compact 9, 40 or 45 but I have so much 9 and 40 ammo it's hard to justify 45 when 9 and 40 will do fine and cost's less to shoot at the range.

Here's CTD

https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/category/firearms/handguns/9mm.do?sku_instock_b=true&c=118970.118971.444572&sortby=priceAscend&pp=30&page=3

Here's CTD if you don't already know them, they will ship to a local FFL so you can buy online and pick it up locally, there will be a 10-20 dollar added charge but it's worth it if you don't have a superstore nearby, here Adventure outdoors has great deals and is 30 miles away but CTD is a good desktop resource for seeing what's available, and now that the election is over much is getting back into stock....man people bought the store our before the election, I picked up half a dozen things myself, sucks that I can't afford everything I want but we can price shop and compare to get a bargain on something cool.

This tan Century looks like urban cammo and an 18 round box :D, if reviews are good, that and 9mm is cheaper to shoot and it's plenty effective in the real world 9,40 and 45 are all 95% 1st shot stoppers, 45 just costs more to shoot and you won't find an 18 round box as standard.

https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/century-arms-canik-tp9sf-9mm-luger-semi-auto-pistol-18-rounds-44-barrel-interchangeable-grips-polymer-desert-tan-787450432567.do?sortby=priceAscend&page=5&refType=&from=fn
 
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