For U.S. Gun Enthusiasts

[FrothyChimp]

I've seen a bit of discussion from time to time regarding firearms on this forum so I thought I'd put out a quick blurb for such enthusiasts in the OTHER section for your review. Lookie what the government has slipped into debate ahead of all the hype of the financial bailouts: http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h45ih.txt.pdf

It would appear the Second Amendment is once again being assaulted under the guise of intra/interstate trade regulation. Just an FYI

 

[digital_blue]

Wow, this sucks. I've always considered the US as a "gun haven" of sorts; I guess that might change soon...

 

[FrothyChimp]

The same legislation was defeated last year but under the new president and congress it has a chance.

 

[drgrant1]

Year in and year out those of us who own, collect and generally enjoy our firearms are constantly worried that the time may come when our 2nd Amendment will eventually be thrown away. Liberal politicians all over America already trample on the rights of millions of citizens. California is by far the worst case. Almost daily, their politicians are looking at what right they can take away next. If it isn't guns, it's your money. They know NO limits! However, I don't believe liberals truly understand there will come a time when the citizens of America will take back their country and it will not be at the ballot box.

 

[digital_blue]

Up here in Canada, we don't have any amendments declaring our right to bear arms; we hold our breath every time elections come around.

 

[HumanSymphony]

Don't they get it? People who wish to use guns for the wrong reasons will ALWAYS find a way to get them! They certainly won't be buying them legally anyways. They're just ruining it for the good, honest, hardworking americans!

 

[FrothyChimp]

Here's my thoughts on the matter. This is a prelude to taxation. They will declare guns bad for you just like cigarettes and tax the hell out of them and the required registrations. Since every honest citizen will have registered their weapons out of fear of becoming a criminal at the hands of their government, they can now tax those honest working citizens as they now know who they are. I am not one for a slippery slope theory, but I am one of the mind that a need to fund two trillion in good money thrown away will be met with a tax on nearly everything. What better to tax than those who have the money to buy items like guns. The only thing Americans are to be allowed is the food they buy, everything else is a luxury and will be taxed out of the ability of people to afford them. Guns are a fine target, just as cigarettes were.

Back in the day people had to stand in line for hours waiting to buy a loaf of bread or toilet paper, hoping there would be loaves or rolls left when they got to the front because the citizens were not allowed any kind of freedom to earn and spend. Don't remember that? Well it didn't happen here, it was another socialist experiment called the USSR and they collapsed under economic pressure of the West because their economic control of the country stagnated the hard working Russian people and relegated them entirely dependent on the whims of the welfare state.

What's happening here is just a small part of a bigger push to take control away from the child-like citizens and give it to the all knowing government, the father figure, hell bent on caring for you even if it kills you.

 

[drgrant1]

Amen!

 

[pullbangdead]

Wow, all handguns and all semi-automatic firearms which accept detachable magazines.

How in the world can anyone think this would actually help prevent crime? Registration is the first required step to any subsequent rules, be they taxation, confiscation, whatever.

Absolutely nothing good could come of this. MAYBE nothing bad, certainly nothing good; so what is there to gain? Nothing to gain, but a lot to possibly lose.

I just hope some people notice and that enough people stand up for what's right to keep this down, but I have a very bad feeling about this. At least the current Supreme Court likely wouldn't let it stand, but who knows what the Supreme Court is going to look like in a few years, what with an 88 year old and a 70+ year old that was just diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. At least those are both liberal judges, so the balance of power won't be shifting too much. If conservative judges were being replaced right now by the liberal administration and senate, the balance of power on the court would be in REAL trouble. Divided government good (in general).

 

[rocketparrotlet]

Ugh... I hate it when they try to take away Constitutional rights. But this isn't. You still have the right to bear arms, they're just trying to tax them more.

Also, the "damn libs" approach is not the right one. And this is not taking away Constitutional rights, either. You still have the right to bear arms, they're just trying to tax them all. Simply because a liberal president is in office does not mean that we are now a socialist country. A bit o' government knowledge might help you to understand that better if you don't already. We are a republic! Not a "true democracy", not a socialism, not a communism, not a dictatorship, not an oligarchy, not a monarchy, not a tyranny, etc. etc.

I think that if you go way too far left, you are becoming just like the right. Right-wing policies generally support military and governmental power over the power of the people. Left-wing policies generally support increased freedoms, with the penalty of increased taxation. However, too far to the left, and restrictions are quite similar to those in the far right (just over different issues.) Taxing is not restricting freedom...

-Mark

 

[Th0ughts]

For every law made, there is always an underground. The same goes for lasers. As soon as lasers are (inevitably) banned in the US, we (LPF) will still strive.

 

[daguin]

Ugh... I hate it when they try to take away Constitutional rights.  But this isn't.  You still have the right to bear arms, they're just trying to tax them more.
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Taxing is not restricting freedom...
-Mark

So, if each individual attending a rally to protest this new legislation was required to purchase a "permit" from the government to exercise their right to protest, that would not constitute a restriction on freedom?

At what amount does a "tax" become a "restriction"?

Peace,
dave

 

[digital_blue]

Ugh... I hate it when they try to take away Constitutional rights.  But this isn't.  You still have the right to bear arms, they're just trying to tax them more.

Isn't that the way all nationwide firearms bans start? First they force you to register your firearms to they can "keep track" of who owns one and what. Who knows what's next; Maybe they will decide that the constitution is "outdated" and decide to revamp the whole thing...

This whole registry thing is already implemented here in Canada. Over 1 billion dollars has been pumped into this system that has yet to do anything. IMO, it's a little more than a "cash grab"...

 

[DTMF]

i for one don't have a problem with this . i think of it like geting a driver's license . here in ca. you have to pay for a hand gun safety cert and take a test to buy a hand gun . if you have ever been shooting out at a unregulated open shooting range on a busy day you would wish there where even more regulation's on responseable gun owner ship .there not saying you can't own a gun they just want to make shure your not a complet idiot and they want you to pay for it .

 

[drgrant1]

What I have noticed over the years is the so called movement toward 'common sense' legislation regarding guns. The fallacy of that is firearms ownership is a RIGHT guaranteed by the 2nd Amendment and paid for in blood by my family and countless others. Getting a driver's license is NOT a right, it is a privilege. That said, I and many others do not have any problem with background checks to make sure the purchaser is not a criminal. But, if we want to sell or trade our guns, that is our business and not the governments. If we don't take a stance on this issue and the 2nd Amendment were to fall, you can bet your life lasers, knives, bats, and many other things will follow. Right now citizen's of the UK and others are facing legislation to take away their knives. You can't go anywhere in the UK without a stinking camera recording your movements. I know there are those who will disagree with me on this issue. That's fine, because this is America. But remember this, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Every one of us over 30 has seen it with our own eyes. And once politicians have the 2nd Amendment out of their way and our guns confiscated (That is the stated goal of many liberal politicians.) watch out as there will be nothing to stop them from doing anything they choose.

 

[DTMF]

What I have noticed over the years is the so called movement toward 'common sense' legislation regarding guns. [highlight]The fallacy of that is firearms ownership is a RIGHT guaranteed by the 2nd Amendment and paid for in blood by my family and countless others. [/highlight]Getting a driver's license is NOT a right, it is a privilege. That said, I and many others do not have any problem with background checks to make sure the purchaser is not a criminal. But, if we want to sell or trade our guns, that is our business and not the governments. If we don't take a stance on this issue and the 2nd Amendment were to fall, you can bet your life lasers, knives, bats, and many other things will follow. Right now citizen's of the UK and others are facing legislation to take away their knives. You can't go anywhere in the UK without a stinking camera recording your movements. I know there are those who will disagree with me on this issue. That's fine, because this is America. But remember this, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Every one of us over 30 has seen it with our own eyes. And once politicians have the 2nd Amendment out of their way and our guns confiscated (That is the stated goal of many liberal politicians.) watch out as there will be nothing to stop them from doing anything they choose.

the problem is most people living in the us @ this point in history would not be willing to give there blood for there right to bear arm's. i find it sad . i have many firearm's some passed down to me from long ago . i would never let anyone take them from me without a fight .