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Those who would like to help stop ebay member fraud relating to lasers please assist.
I do not recommend anyone identify their ebay member ID's in the forum, or even to privately share them with anyone as it is not necessary to accomplish the task. It isn't even necessary to respond to this thread or let yourself be known to help with this. Members can simply help by contacting ebay sellers who for whatever reason have bad info on their listings and letting them know about the error, or misrepresentation. To help promote a watchdog group, however small (perhaps a lone wolf) I'm going to be adding links to listings I see as fraud, or ebay sellers who are well known to over rate the power output of their listings or any other purposeful misrepresentation.
Please post links to ebay sales of laser related items here which you believe or know are fraudulent. What we can do is encourage members to individually contact the seller and point out the problem. Hopefully, this will cause some listings to be changed to reflect reality. If the items are low enough priced, I am willing to buy a few myself to allow appropriate feedback to be left for those sellers.
Why? Ebay won't allow feedback to be left for sellers who refund the purchase, due to this many ebay sellers are working the system to cheat buyers and hiding the fact by simply refunding when there is a complaint to prevent members from leaving feedback of what is really going on. Many buyers accept the loss, especially when the cost to send the item back exceeds its value, as many items sold by China sellers are.
As long as there is a feedback system on ebay, we can circumvent their underhanded method of hiding what is really happening, but at a cost, of course. I'm willing to do a few small purchases a year to help keep the laser listings on ebay honest, especially due to the mass amount of misrepresentations coming from China laser listings.
I just bought a misrepresented item from a US seller who was listing a M140 laser diode at 465 nm. I confirmed he knew it was 450 nm from this response:
This purchase resulted in a neutral feedback as a warning, but he deserved a negative. I was willing to purchase them item because I can both use the diodes at 450 nm as well as push forward a warning to other buyers if he lists more of them at 465 nm. Due to this, buying them wasn't a loss and a sweet situation. Might seem underhanded of me, but this guy was misrepresenting these diodes on purpose to drive more buyers to his listing, but not clarifying the misdirection further in the listing which is clear fraud.
After leaving a neutral with a simple statement that the diodes were not 465 nm and were 450 nm, the seller responded with insults due to where I live and threatened to attack my legitimate honest listings by buying one of them and giving a negative feedback. My mistake! I should have understood if this seller was willing to misrepresent his listings, he would also likely be willing to lie about anything. Due to this, I need to do this work with a different account where I don't sell anything to keep dishonest folk like this from being able to push back. For this guy, if he does that I have another plan for him.
FYI: Sellers cannot give buyers negative or neutral feedback anymore. If you are selling something they can try to neg you in retribution, but unlikely unless a small inexpensive item. If someone is suspect of buying something to allow a retribution feedback, refund the money and they cannot leave feedback, using ebay's trick to hide dishonest sellers back at them when they try to do that. You can also add them to your blocked buyers list and ebay will then automatically cross reference any other account they might have to block that one too. IMO Ebay does a lot of unethical business practices, but at least they have that one right.
I do not recommend anyone identify their ebay member ID's in the forum, or even to privately share them with anyone as it is not necessary to accomplish the task. It isn't even necessary to respond to this thread or let yourself be known to help with this. Members can simply help by contacting ebay sellers who for whatever reason have bad info on their listings and letting them know about the error, or misrepresentation. To help promote a watchdog group, however small (perhaps a lone wolf) I'm going to be adding links to listings I see as fraud, or ebay sellers who are well known to over rate the power output of their listings or any other purposeful misrepresentation.
Please post links to ebay sales of laser related items here which you believe or know are fraudulent. What we can do is encourage members to individually contact the seller and point out the problem. Hopefully, this will cause some listings to be changed to reflect reality. If the items are low enough priced, I am willing to buy a few myself to allow appropriate feedback to be left for those sellers.
Why? Ebay won't allow feedback to be left for sellers who refund the purchase, due to this many ebay sellers are working the system to cheat buyers and hiding the fact by simply refunding when there is a complaint to prevent members from leaving feedback of what is really going on. Many buyers accept the loss, especially when the cost to send the item back exceeds its value, as many items sold by China sellers are.
As long as there is a feedback system on ebay, we can circumvent their underhanded method of hiding what is really happening, but at a cost, of course. I'm willing to do a few small purchases a year to help keep the laser listings on ebay honest, especially due to the mass amount of misrepresentations coming from China laser listings.
I just bought a misrepresented item from a US seller who was listing a M140 laser diode at 465 nm. I confirmed he knew it was 450 nm from this response:
ebay seller critical_eye_studios
The above ebay seller just responded to my message asking him if he listed them as 465 nm in error, why he hasn't fixed his listing yet with the following;
He thinks I am complaining because I'm a seller in competition with him, wrong, I sell nothing. Can one or more members please message him telling him how wrong he is about the wavelength being unimportant? What doesn't make sense is if it is unimportant, then why is he listing them at a more sought after wavelength? I have a very critical eye to misrepresentations regarding lasers or laser parts, we get enough of that from the China sellers.
2 (Two) High Power M140 Laser Diodes 4.2W 2.1W ea. Blue 465nm | eBay
This purchase resulted in a neutral feedback as a warning, but he deserved a negative. I was willing to purchase them item because I can both use the diodes at 450 nm as well as push forward a warning to other buyers if he lists more of them at 465 nm. Due to this, buying them wasn't a loss and a sweet situation. Might seem underhanded of me, but this guy was misrepresenting these diodes on purpose to drive more buyers to his listing, but not clarifying the misdirection further in the listing which is clear fraud.
After leaving a neutral with a simple statement that the diodes were not 465 nm and were 450 nm, the seller responded with insults due to where I live and threatened to attack my legitimate honest listings by buying one of them and giving a negative feedback. My mistake! I should have understood if this seller was willing to misrepresent his listings, he would also likely be willing to lie about anything. Due to this, I need to do this work with a different account where I don't sell anything to keep dishonest folk like this from being able to push back. For this guy, if he does that I have another plan for him.
FYI: Sellers cannot give buyers negative or neutral feedback anymore. If you are selling something they can try to neg you in retribution, but unlikely unless a small inexpensive item. If someone is suspect of buying something to allow a retribution feedback, refund the money and they cannot leave feedback, using ebay's trick to hide dishonest sellers back at them when they try to do that. You can also add them to your blocked buyers list and ebay will then automatically cross reference any other account they might have to block that one too. IMO Ebay does a lot of unethical business practices, but at least they have that one right.
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