- Jul 4, 2008
Alright, who's personal freedoms and liberties then? Visa holders/refugees, or American citizens? How are different freedoms being violated now vs. in 2011?
to clarify this .. that was completely different set of circumstances with a well heeled plan by the Obama administration to freeze the refugee program from Iraq.
A single country and credible intelligence to warrant such actions.
Other countries were notified of the ban well in advance. There is a major difference here. In this circumstance no country was notified before the ban went into effect as this was an (immediate) executive order. Now you have border patrols, CBSA (Canadian Boarder Services Agency) and US customs struggling to keep up with the changes that are occurring at any of the border crossings. (Land, Sea and Air).. CBSA of course has to re-admit those who are rejected at the US side of the boarder making for large backlogs.
You're splitting hairs here... Right Wing Ultra-Nationalism = hate groups.And I'd hardly call a single attack "a surge of ultra-right wing nationalism." The minute Canada as a whole starts doing anything even remotely nationalistic I'll eat my hat.
We've just had a terrorist attack by a Quebec Ultra-Nationalist and there have been numerous incidents with the Soldiers of Odin, Aryan Nations, Storm Front right across Canada since Trump's presidency. Trumps comments are only spurring them on.
Lots of evidence pointing that this is the case.
What do you mean by this? I didn't understand what was written where? By whom? If you mean the executive order itself, I have read and understood it in its entirety. Please clarify. As for world news, the only reverberations I've seen stem from confusion (mostly at airports). Again, if you want to discuss a specific event please clarify; you can't just say "haven't you seen the world news?" and expect me to know what you're talking about. My work load doesn't allow me to comb through every single news story from every country, unfortunately.
Numerous news agencies are reporting on the US travel ban causing global impacts from this executive decision ( no countries were informed ahead of of the ban) as well as the massive protests against the measure going on internationally. Your country will face repercussions at the UN as the ban also violates numerous long standing international laws and treaties that were signed by past presidents.
You seem to shrug it off as though it's not happening nor a big deal.
And why should we be outraged? America's duty is to her own people first. US citizens have not had any restrictions placed on them. America has no duty to ensure the safety or well-being of foreign nationals.
That's quite a National-Centric response...
Sure, US has a responsibility to it's citizens. Agreed... BUT Since you have ports of entry, including those by air, you (USA) also have an international responsibility to protect those who transit through your country. It's not only about Americans. That's not how it works!
That's what I don't understand by your response. American is part of the International community last time I checked. :thinking:
What relevance does this have? No group is being persecuted...?
lol... Is that a question?.... Relevance of the last quote = Everything. :thinking:
That's just it... that's how this ban is being perceived Internationally. Persecution for being Muslim American, Iranian with Green cards, Iraqi American, Syrian refugees...list continues and being denied the right to go back to their home in the US, go back to work, back to continue their PhD's or Masters at University and or visit family even transit through the US to another destination.
If this is perfectly fine with you then I suggest you switch places with one of the many people effected and see what it feels like to be denied entry/re-entry, a job, and or continuation of your masters/PhD, or visiting family/ being split up as a family.
Have you no empathy?