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2019-nCoV - VERY CRITICAL SITUATION. !DANGER!

RedCowboy

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I see on the news in NY over 100 firefighters lined up side by side cheering healthcare workers...........people have not taken this seriously enough and still aren't, all these firefighters regardless of their good intentions are taking an unnecessary risk and anyone taking risks are taking them for all of us, I'm so afraid this is going to touch everyone and some of us just won't make it, if I don't then let me say it's been great sharing with you all, God Bless and be well.
 



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HMMM....When Doctors start posting that SOMETHING is effective in fighting Covid...Who have NO finical benefit from posting...What does that tell you ????? Like many of you...Sad to admit....I have been suckered into watching a video on some "Miracle " health cure....only to find...this info is just so they can sell their " Snake Oil ".....Sigh !!! Then, I research it...and it ALWAYS proves to have many warnings....many of which shout...SCAM !!!
But...When no strings are attached.....to me....that shouts...Maybe this is the real thing !!!...Just maybe. CDBeam
 

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I am already familiar with the French study sited using 36 patients and the results are not what you posted. Only 20 patients were actually part of the clinical trial and several dropped out because of side effects. The other 16 patients weren't part of any trials and thus have only anecdotal evidence so show. Besides, this study was far too small to amount to any real evidence that using these as treatments are safe or effective. Went to the American College of Cardiology to get the facts on this. ECGs should be performed on patients using these drugs to get a baseline QT time interval and serum potassium levels should be monitored along with magnesium levels. For outpatients at QT time >480 ms in a contraindication. Azithromycin should be stopped and doses of hyrdoxychloroquine should be lowered if these don't resolve.
 

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Is anyone having luck finding masks? Obviously Amazon is restricted and minimum 6 weeks shipping and i'm almost out of rubber gloves.
 

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I am already familiar with the French study sited using 36 patients and the results are not what you posted. Only 20 patients were actually part of the clinical trial and several dropped out because of side effects. The other 16 patients weren't part of any trials and thus have only anecdotal evidence so show. Besides, this study was far too small to amount to any real evidence that using these as treatments are safe or effective. Went to the American College of Cardiology to get the facts on this. ECGs should be performed on patients using these drugs to get a baseline QT time interval and serum potassium levels should be monitored along with magnesium levels. For outpatients at QT time >480 ms in a contraindication. Azithromycin should be stopped and doses of hyrdoxychloroquine should be lowered if these don't resolve.
Actually I can second this! the results quoted by Paul above in the French study were the ones cited on live TV by our health minister and top doctor Dr.Theresa Tam. This is one of the main reasons why our top doctor has strongly recommended against the combo drug therapy as the potential side effects are worse than the virus. Dr. Theresa Tam is a pediatric infectious disease specialist that has held a number of leadership positions at PHAC such as Assistant Deputy Minister of the Infectious Disease Prevention and Control Branch. She has played a leadership role in Canada's response to public health emergencies including (SARS), pandemic influenza H1N1, Ebola and the current COVID-19.

If she ( Dr.Tam) has come out strongly against the treatment why are some people still pushing this? Do people want potentially lethal complications and have more people die unnecessarily? I am thinking that COVID-19 is bad enough.


There is a lot of pushing of untested or downright dangerous drugs or chemical treatments right now over youtube and in various other media. This further causes disinformation that confuses the public and encourages extremely reckless behaviour. Already a few cases of people using Hydroxychloroquine from fish tank sanitizer thinking that it would help them. -- this turned out to be fatal in both cases.
Another case in Italy used Chlorine Dioxide in enema form, again pushed by pseudoscience via social media... this also didn't turn out too well either, and the last one was the use of colloidal silver to rid the body of "bad stuff" in the US, pushed by Chiropractors - In one case leading to Argyria and liver damage.

Please analyze any advice you are getting. There is a reason for people not to jump on the Hydroxychloroquine bandwagon!
 

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Is anyone having luck finding masks? Obviously Amazon is restricted and minimum 6 weeks shipping and i'm almost out of rubber gloves.
Been rarer than hens teeth.......there's some scammers and a couple or greedy sellers on ebay auctioning off singles.
 

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Been rarer than hens teeth.......there's some scammers and a couple or greedy sellers on ebay auctioning off singles.
We have a small local company in Victoria making masks. They have been making reusable masks
contact details here. Shipping done via Canada post.
I have one of their prototypes that was given to me to show customers at work.
Made of very strong fabric with a reusable filter. ~$10CDN each.


Love 2 Sew
644 Yates St, Victoria, BC V8W 1L3
(250) 381-7331
 
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As far as I know even the Chinese one way medical masks are made of spunbond (polypropylene or PET fabric). So even if they are called disposable it does not mean that they cannot be hand washed with soap water (kills viruses in 20 min at rt) or desinfected in oven at 60ºC (kills viruses in 1h).
Other options may be ethanol, isopropanol, 0.1% solution of Benzalkonium chloride...

Same may work for N95 FFP2 masks but better to remove valve before washing (if they have valves with rubber sheet).
 

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As far as I know even the Chinese one way medical masks are made of spunbond (polypropylene or PET fabric). So even if they are called disposable it does not mean that they cannot be hand washed with soap water (kills viruses in 20 min at rt) or desinfected in oven at 60ºC (kills viruses in 1h).
Other options may be ethanol, isopropanol, 0.1% solution of Benzalkonium chloride...

Same may work for N95 FFP2 masks but better to remove valve before washing (if they have valves with rubber sheet).
Yes, I often wondered that. The Doctor in charge of the reusable medical mask operation in Victoria explained that N95 mask material over time will loose its structural porosity meaning that the filtering capability will change/decrease over time.... hence why they (3M and other companies ) highly recommend NOT reusing the masks. (problem is with the fibers compacting)
A small physical defect occurring in the mask body will render the mask useless.
 
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I am already familiar with the French study sited using 36 patients and the results are not what you posted. Only 20 patients were actually part of the clinical trial and several dropped out because of side effects. The other 16 patients weren't part of any trials and thus have only anecdotal evidence so show. Besides, this study was far too small to amount to any real evidence that using these as treatments are safe or effective. Went to the American College of Cardiology to get the facts on this. ECGs should be performed on patients using these drugs to get a baseline QT time interval and serum potassium levels should be monitored along with magnesium levels. For outpatients at QT time >480 ms in a contraindication. Azithromycin should be stopped and doses of hyrdoxychloroquine should be lowered if these don't resolve.
Found another study conducted by China with hydroxychloroquine with no benefits found at all. Considering the limited French study and this I would not ask for this if I became infected.

Cuomo is very popular in NY, Rudy Giuliani not withstanding. New Yorkers love Cuomo.
 

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Yes, I often wondered that. The Doctor in charge of the reusable medical mask operation in Victoria explained that N95 mask material over time will loose its structural porosity meaning that the filtering capability will change/decrease over time.... hence why they (3M and other companies ) highly recommend NOT reusing the masks. (problem is with the fibers compacting)
A small physical defect occurring in the mask body will render the mask useless.
That is right in the normal situation when the masks are abundant but in case when no one has them in stock, it would be better to recycle a one way mask than to not have any.
In my work place last year we have dscarded of all ffp3 masks which ran out of the shelf life. These ffp3 masks are 60 eur/piece now.
We have ordered new ones but in the current situation no supplier has them. And, to my opinion, those over shelf life ffp3 would still be better than new bought ffp2 masks.
I do not think that heating 1h at 60ºC or desinfecting by UV lamp would change the structure of spunbond fabric a lot. At least for several times, not 1000 times of course...
 

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Found another study conducted by China with hydroxychloroquine with no benefits found at all. Considering the limited French study and this I would not ask for this if I became infected.

Cuomo is very popular in NY, Rudy Giuliani not withstanding. New Yorkers love Cuomo.
They loved Rudy too. I would not trust ANY information from China at this time. They lied about the number of deaths from COVID-19 in China. If any information does not pass the approval of the CCP, it is not allowed to be released. China has threatened to withhold shipments of hydroxychloroquine to the USA. If it were so useless, why would they threaten to withold it? If it is prescribed by a doctor that has reviewed the patients health properly, there is little danger. I still have the strips from my EKG. Extended use at high dosages may not be safe, but short term use at the low dosages of the protocol were MUCH safer than the high chance of death from ARDS had it not been used. 100% of the 350 infected subjects in New York improved, survived, and are at home. That is why the FDA approved its use for COVID-19, under the supervision of a doctor of course. Even if 1 person out of 100 died due to a negative reaction, those 99 saved would greatly outweigh the risk of losing all 100 to ARDS. Have you even reviewed the death rate of those with ARDS due to COVID-19? If you had access to that data, you might think otherwise. Why do you think the death rate is so high amongst those required to be placed on ventilators? Are you aware of the connection between COVID-19 and body A types? And why body type A males have a death rate of more than double the death rate of body type A females. It's in the genetics of course. I wish I were allowed to share.

Bob
 
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Irrespective of what Trump touts as his hopeful drug there just aren't any studies to show this is either safe or effective when used against covid19. India has clamped down on their supplies of this drug too. That doesn't mean it is worth a try against this virus. It means it IS effective against malaria, lupus erythematosus and some auto-immune disorders. The real problem is Trump, fueled by Fox News opinions, has told people to try it and that has made it impossible to find for people who need it for these approved disorders.
 

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Irrespective of what Trump touts as his hopeful drug there just aren't any studies to show this is either safe or effective when used against covid19. India has clamped down on their supplies of this drug too. That doesn't mean it is worth a try against this virus. It means it IS effective against malaria, lupus erythematosus and some auto-immune disorders. The real problem is Trump, fueled by Fox News opinions, has told people to try it and that has made it impossible to find for people who need it for these approved disorders.
paul This is not the political thread, you gripe more than enough there, leave it out of here.
 




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