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Spartan X · Nov 3, 2010

hakzaw1 said:
And it is true that they make great products -- I own a lot of C*sio items and especially like thier keyboards- having 6 of them.

I'm a fan of the G-shock Watches. I like to have a watch that I never have to charge, and never have to set because of the Solar/Atomic Mix. Plus of course the indestructible build. It's Timeless as the time it keeps....damn I want that titanium MT-G!

Their slim line of point and shoots are not all that bad too.

ludwigfan · Nov 3, 2010

ElektroFreak said:
LOL! Clapio on, Clapio off..

Asian or American, European or African, a corporation is a corporation. I don't support corporations over the little guys EVER, so therefore I could give a crap what the Clapio executives (or any corporate execs for that matter) think about anything really. Oh, so they're upset about losing FACE? Well let them drive home in the Bentley, crawl up the 75 marble steps to their door, have the butler open it, go through the study to their atrium and cry their little hearts out.. LOL!! Puhleeeeze.

LMAO! me mashes the +1 button

hakzaw1 · Nov 4, 2010

any newz about the on-topic of this thread?????

Benm · Nov 4, 2010

I dont want to link the clapio brand to anything malicious really, but i dont know if they see what we are doing here on lpf as such either.

Come to think of it, we've taken, analyzed and used diodes from equipment by numerious vendors by now, and noone ever seemed to have a problem so far. I suppose we call the A1x4 diodes clapio because that is the only source so far.. if other vendors enter the arena more generic names will be used,

DTR · Nov 4, 2010

hakzaw1 said:
any newz about the on-topic of this thread?????

Tomorrow is the day we have been waiting for. I got the cheetos and beer and I am ready to rock.

weidmark · Nov 4, 2010

let us know ASAP. im very curious

Prototype · Nov 4, 2010

Huh? :thinking:

kiyoukan · Nov 4, 2010

could it be that he is back trolling the threads?

millirad · Nov 4, 2010

I have my fingers crossed for your generosity DTR! And fingers crossed for you brave souls who are backing him up. If it does turn out to be a blue-green shift, I'll buy one for me and one for Scopeguy20. And I'd do it at more than they are going for, before the unveiling. I'm really thinking like most out there, that it's a technology tweak other than a direct diode wavelength shift(the most expensive option for Clapio). While we detest the gray cubicle corporate giants, I do appreciate the avenue that they have given us with 445nm. As laser enthusiasts, we are only a fly in the ointment, and they really aren't taking much notice of us.

Bionic-Badger · Nov 4, 2010

ludwigfan said:
For years we've had high voltage coils in CRTs and cars THAT COULD KILL YOU. Unlike a laser diode that at worst could blind you. There was no need to prevent people from removing said part from them and using it for other purposes. Personal responsibility people! Let's not let it slip away anymore!

Let's not be so naive. You can stamp your foot all you want about "personal responsibility" or whatever, but it's not going to help you win you a lawsuit against some jerk and his lawyer who are looking for a big company to earn their "compensation" from injury.

Your CRT voltage coil example is also not relevant. You could say the same about a gun on a table: it's just an object that required outside interference to be dangerous. Will your expected "personal responsibility" hold up in court if someone takes that weapon and injures someone else? No. Because when you consider the safety and precautions surrounding a product, one must consider the scope of liability.

In your particular voltage coil example, what is the potential that the voltage coil can be used to injure other people outside the initial handler? Not very high. There is a significant effort required to remove and prepare such parts for a condition that could kill you or others. What more, the supporting apparatus is also not very portable, and its effects are very short range, limiting its effects. Compare this to the laser projector in that video I posted: you don't even need to rig up any powering apparatus to utilize its full effects. All that is required is a removing a few screws and now you have 24W of laser beams flooding a room, or an entire street with virtually no effort. Lasers are long-distance effect devices; they're designed to be. Therefore their potential to cause a more widespread hazard is far greater than, say, a voltage coil.

Then comes the potential for redistributing dangerous parts is far higher on that laser projector. You buy one for $800 and you can sell off the diodes for $40-$50 a whack. Now you've got 24 potentially dangerous devices floating around in public. What do you get out of your $300 CRT or car? A single voltage transformer. The distributive effects of the laser projector are far higher than many other products with dangerous parts.

Finally, there is the scope of what can be done to mitigate the potential hazard. Has the manufacturer done enough to prevent abuse? From the photos and video of the laser projector it is hard to argue they have. The ease in which members of this forum have popped those diodes out without any specialized equipment or expertise would easily justify the case that the manufacturer did little to prevent access to the said dangerous parts. There is also the issue of what could be done in an economical way: the manufacturer could easily pot the diodes, or use those tri-screws to prevent entry. Those efforts alone may save the manufacturer a potentially expensive lawsuit.

Bionic-Badger · Nov 4, 2010

ElektroFreak said:
Asian or American, European or African, a corporation is a corporation. I don't support corporations over the little guys EVER, so therefore I could give a crap what the Clapio executives (or any corporate execs for that matter) think about anything really. Oh, so they're upset about losing FACE? Well let them drive home in the Bentley, crawl up the 75 marble steps to their door, have the butler open it, go through the study to their atrium and cry their little hearts out.. LOL!! Puhleeeeze.

Give it a rest. You'll care, because right now this big bad "corporation" is the only means by which you can get these kinds of diodes at "reasonable" prices. What they choose to do with their diodes in their products will directly affect any person wanting to use such diodes at the hobby level. You'll care because "Clapio" and others could make the hobby-they-could-not-care-less-about exceedingly difficult to pursue.

It's not about "losing face" it's about the reaction to it. "Clapio" could march their lawyers in and contact C0ldShadow about "defamation" or whatever excuse to shut the forum down. They've already forced eBay auctions to not use their name. Do you think C0ldshadow is going to foot the bill against a civil lawsuit from "Clapio" even if he's "right"? Do you think it doesn't happen? It does. Don't expect any "community backlash" either, from the loss of a "dangerous laser hobby forum" either.

So whatever you may think about corporations or their cronies, have a little responsibility, and err on the side of caution. The last thing we need is for this hobby to attract undue attention, especially from those who have far greater means at their disposal.

gillza · Nov 4, 2010

Bionic-Badger said:
Give it a rest. You'll care, because right now this big bad "corporation" is the only means by which you can get these kinds of diodes at "reasonable" prices. What they choose to do with their diodes in their products will directly affect any person wanting to use such diodes at the hobby level. You'll care because "Clapio" and others could make the hobby-they-could-not-care-less-about exceedingly difficult to pursue.

It's not about "losing face" it's about the reaction to it. "Clapio" could march their lawyers in and contact C0ldShadow about "defamation" or whatever excuse to shut the forum down. They've already forced eBay auctions to not use their name. Do you think C0ldshadow is going to foot the bill against a civil lawsuit from "Clapio" even if he's "right"? Do you think it doesn't happen? It does. Don't expect any "community backlash" either, from the loss of a "dangerous laser hobby forum" either.

So whatever you may think about corporations or their cronies, have a little responsibility, and err on the side of caution. The last thing we need is for this hobby to attract undue attention, especially from those who have far greater means at their disposal.

It is wise to avoid the wrath of big corps like them, however don't you guys think that this forum is not significant enough to cause any problems to them. Look at Micro$oft, everyone makes fun of them twisting their name one way or the other and I don't remember seeing anywhere any lawsuits because of it. But I may be mistaken.

DTR any updates?

ElektroFreak · Nov 4, 2010

Bionic-Badger said:
Give it a rest. You'll care, because right now this big bad "corporation" is the only means by which you can get these kinds of diodes at "reasonable" prices. What they choose to do with their diodes in their products will directly affect any person wanting to use such diodes at the hobby level. You'll care because "Clapio" and others could make the hobby-they-could-not-care-less-about exceedingly difficult to pursue.

It's not about "losing face" it's about the reaction to it. "Clapio" could march their lawyers in and contact C0ldShadow about "defamation" or whatever excuse to shut the forum down. They've already forced eBay auctions to not use their name. Do you think C0ldshadow is going to foot the bill against a civil lawsuit from "Clapio" even if he's "right"? Do you think it doesn't happen? It does. Don't expect any "community backlash" either, from the loss of a "dangerous laser hobby forum" either.

So whatever you may think about corporations or their cronies, have a little responsibility, and err on the side of caution. The last thing we need is for this hobby to attract undue attention, especially from those who have far greater means at their disposal.

Ahh, thanks for your instruction to "give it a rest". Being the dense, oblivious person that I am, none of that ever occurred to me, and without your input I never would have put it all together.

If you'll notice, my comment isn't just about Clapio specifically, but rather all corporate executives. I was just attempting to inject a little levity (and perhaps some cynicism) into this discussion.. While I really am no fan of corporations, in reality how the execs live their lives has nothing to do with Clapio's legal stance on the 445nm debacle. I just assumed most people would be able to see that.. therein lies my error.

As much as I would love for all LDs to be available for pennies on the dollar to hobbyists, It's not my job to ensure that people here have a limitless supply of 445nm diodes for all time. That has never been guaranteed, and it would not be even if I said only all the right things all the time. I did my part for this community by being the first to supply these diodes to LPF members, and by sharing their source (although both would have been done by someone else had I not done it). I also stopped supplying them after a very short period of time because i recognized their potential for danger and abuse, AND because I started to see the havoc they could cause in terms of the overall hobbyist laser market. I just thought that LPF members would enjoy exploiting such a "gold mine" of laser diodes. Now, IMO, rather than feel entitled to these diodes, those people should feel fortunate that they have had this opportunity to have nearly free high-powered 445nm diodes, while at the same time understanding that at no point has there ever been any guarantee that they will remain that way. I've been saying that forever now. There's a good possibility that lasers in general will continue to fall in price now that such a large, reliable market has been created, but it would be foolish to assume that these diodes will be available for peanuts for the rest of eternity.. There's an equally good chance that display manufacturers will go to greater lengths to discourage people from harvesting lasers from their equipment to protect themselves from any possible legal ramifications. None of this should be surprising.. A wise person would plan for this possibility by keeping a few spares around at all times. That way if the source does ever dry up, you've got a few left to get you by. If you treat them good, they'll last many thousands of hours each.

And I'll be sure to take your lecture on responsibility very seriously, after all it's not like I've been living life for many years now, running a business, taking care of my family, building lasers, electronics etc.. etc.. Clearly I would have no clue about responsibility.

Braddubya · Nov 4, 2010

Lets just call them 445nm diodes! Assuming these still are 445nm?! :thinking: :beer:

dnar · Nov 4, 2010

ElektroFreak said:
Ahh, thanks for your instruction to "give it a rest". Being the dense, oblivious person that I am, none of that ever occurred to me, and without your input I never would have put it all together.

If you'll notice, my comment isn't just about Clapio specifically, but rather all corporate executives. I was just attempting to inject a little levity (and perhaps some cynicism) into this discussion.. While I really am no fan of corporations, in reality how the execs live their lives has nothing to do with Clapio's legal stance on the 445nm debacle. I just assumed most people would be able to see that.. therein lies my error.

As much as I would love for all LDs to be available for pennies on the dollar to hobbyists, It's not my job to ensure that people here have a limitless supply of 445nm diodes for all time. That has never been guaranteed, and it would not be even if I said only all the right things all the time. I did my part for this community by being the first to supply these diodes to LPF members, and by sharing their source (although both would have been done by someone else had I not done it). I also stopped supplying them after a very short period of time because i recognized their potential for danger and abuse, AND because I started to see the havoc they could cause in terms of the overall hobbyist laser market. I just thought that LPF members would enjoy exploiting such a "gold mine" of laser diodes. Now, IMO, rather than feel entitled to these diodes, those people should feel fortunate that they have had this opportunity to have nearly free high-powered 445nm diodes, while at the same time understanding that at no point has there ever been any guarantee that they will remain that way. I've been saying that forever now. There's a good possibility that lasers in general will continue to fall in price now that such a large, reliable market has been created, but it would be foolish to assume that these diodes will be available for peanuts for the rest of eternity.. There's an equally good chance that display manufacturers will go to greater lengths to discourage people from harvesting lasers from their equipment to protect themselves from any possible legal ramifications. None of this should be surprising.. A wise person would plan for this possibility by keeping a few spares around at all times. That way if the source does ever dry up, you've got a few left to get you by. If you treat them good, they'll last many thousands of hours each.

And I'll be sure to take your lecture on responsibility very seriously, after all it's not like I've been living life for many years now, running a business, taking care of my family, building lasers, electronics etc.. etc.. Clearly I would have no clue about responsibility.

Sarcasm, one of lifes few remaining pleasures...

HIMNL9 · Nov 4, 2010

dnar said:
Sarcasm, one of lifes few remaining pleasures...

Uhm ..... what others you know ? ..... :eg: :na:

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