Bad Experience with SwimminSurfer256

zdarkazn said:

Get out of here...paypal and ebay have the same item SNAD policies.

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No no no - they absolutely positively do NOT have the same policies. Trust me, I've been in that scenario as a buyer a few times. On eBay, there are lots of checks and balances for items being substantially different than ordered. On paypal (when the sale is not an eBay one) there is basically not much recourse other than for items that don't arrive.

zdarkazn said:

Yellow ring never existed before the sale, it happened after the buyer got it. The seller is at fault..thats how online sales work...

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No.... it's not. Where are you getting this from?

If the seller is SONY, or the item has a WARRANTY, then yes, the seller needs to replace a game console that gets a purple-square-of-death-and-darkness (or whatever) within that warranty period. But sales of used items, that explicitly disclaim no guarantee other than working upon arrival, do NOT carry seller liability for dysfunctions that arise:

zdarkazn said:

...after the buyer got it...

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(after the buyer got it)

zdarkazn said:

WHO CARES ABOUT FEEDBACK, any seller can make a new account and it'll have 100% feedback after a few sales.

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zdarkazn said:

Trying to use the forum to your advantage? Take all your untested crap to ebay and amazon and sell it there. You'll get lots of negative feedbacks and most likely have your account frozen. Your 5 years on the forum is NOTHING compared to my 4 years on ebay + amazon + working for a customer returns warehouse. YOUR mindset is stuck on this forum and what you've learned here. You've learned that you can sell unaware buyers items that you dont test fully and claim to work..

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I don't need to take my untested stuff to e-bay or amazon. I simply list it here as untested and sell it like that.

I fail to see how your e-bay and amazon reputation is any more valid in this situation than my forum sales experience. I also fail to see how working for a customer returns warehouse has anything to do with this. I work for a machine shop, occasionally I get parts sent back to me that were made wrong. I figure out what is wrong, mark the parts and put them back on a shelf for someone to fix. That's sort of customer returns. Is it at all relevant? No. Is your work experience relevant? No.

Your grammar, spelling and arguments are breaking down way past the point of being comprehensible any more. I think I'll make this my last post in this thread :wave:

zdarkazn said:

The seller covers because they're the one that sold the item and listed it as a working laptop. The laptop did not work when used correctly..so they seller covers..

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You really need to get off the Laptop thing...
Try a Light Bulb or Flashlight as a comparison...


Jerry

rhd said:

No no no - they absolutely positively do NOT have the same policies. Trust me, I've been in that scenario as a buyer a few times. On eBay, there are lots of checks and balances for items being substantially different than ordered. On paypal (when the sale is not an eBay one) there is basically not much recourse other than for items that don't arrive.

No.... it's not. Where are you getting this from?

If the seller is SONY, or the item has a WARRANTY, then yes, the seller needs to replace a game console that gets a purple-square-of-death-and-darkness (or whatever) within that warranty period. But sales of used items, that explicitly disclaim no guarantee other than working upon arrival, do NOT carry seller liability for dysfunctions that arise:

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Better check that policy again. Paypal DOES have SNAD claims. Paypal doesnt just let some seller sell an unawre buyer 5 kilos of gold and the buyer gets stuck with 5 kilos of brass..

The laser did NOT say "sold as-is/no warranties" if it did say sold as-is i would NOT have made this thread..

zdarkazn said:

The laser did NOT say "sold as-is/no warranties" if it did say sold as-is i would NOT have made this thread..

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That's a valid point. I just re-read the original sales thread.

He probably wouldn't need to actually say "no warranty", as the absence of a warranty would probably be the default presumption for a used item sale in the absence of anything indicating to the contrary.

However, he probably WOULD need to have said "as-is" if he wanted to explicitly disclaim liability for any function-related issues.

Pontiacg5 said:

I don't need to take my untested stuff to e-bay or amazon. I simply list it here as untested and sell it like that.

I fail to see how your e-bay and amazon reputation is any more valid in this situation than my forum sales experience. I also fail to see how working for a customer returns warehouse has anything to do with this. I work for a machine shop, occasionally I get parts sent back to me that were made wrong. I figure out what is wrong, mark the parts and put them back on a shelf for someone to fix. That's sort of customer returns. Is it at all relevant? No. Is your work experience relevant? No.

Your grammar, spelling and arguments are breaking down way past the point of being comprehensible any more. I think I'll make this my last post in this thread :wave:

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You fail to see how my ebay and amazon rep is more valid than yours because you're afraid of aware buyers exploiting your plan to take their money and leave them with an untested item. Your machine shop is nothing like my customer returns warehouse. Yours is pure metal items..mine is an electronics warehouse. Used and openbox Cell phones, cameras, laptops, Tv's etc are sent back because of a problem with something inside. I figure out the correct problem and send it off to the supervisor with a quote on the refund or replacement. Your machine shop isnt even related to electronics. And who cares about grammar, im so pissed off at people not understanding how online sales work and how all sellers like you love to rip unaware buyers off..

lasersbee said:

You really need to get off the Laptop thing...
Try a Light Bulb or Flashlight as a comparison...


Jerry

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Okay, how about a flashlight? Lets say a seller sells a maglite that he claims to be working. He turns it on for one second, sees that it emits a light, then sells it as "working great". The buyer receives it, uses it, and then the bulb dies after an hour. Seller is at fault.. How about, lets use your LPM then. I dont see your LPM's having any warranty either in your thread. So if the buyer buys it from you and then it stops working after 45 minutes, they're stuck with it..?

Good grief. 5 pages of this already and nearly no one (at least fully) agrees with you zdarkazn. Yes the situation sucks, but in my mind anyway you are doing much more damage to your rep here when Swim's.