Move the WL topic out of the 445nm forum?

[Meatball]

I have to agree with BB and Dave. We as a forum will not have any info about that single laser until someone gets one in their hands. The speculation is very exhausting to read through when you're trying to simply find a basic detail... one that could otherwise be found on the WL website.

The Companies thread would be a better place to talk about one specific company's model, rather than letting this one laser dominate the entire 445 board. This makes sense when the "Researchers" are trying to find relevant info about these diodes, and keep running into the artic.

 

[kevinmassey]

I second that. Delete them all, and any new ones that pop-up until someone actually gets one... If anyone gets one.

How about if we move all of them to the waste bin until someone actually as one in their hand? All we are doing is helping to add to the hype

Have you read through either of the threads we tried to use in this last adaptation?

I say we delete them all (to heck with the post counts) and stop being a breeding ground for WL sales.

Peace,
dave

 

[ICU]

How about moving it to the "Other" forum area?
Its seems to be getting closer to the "FAIL" thread with every delay

 

[Bionic-Badger]

I stand by my words. Yes, riff-raff. i.e. people who add nothing of anything of value to the hobby or discussion. I'm not saying it applies to everyone who has joined for the WL product, but it does apply to the people who are joining just to yak and speculate about some product they preordered.

I don't consider these statements snobby at all. People are very welcome to join the community to learn about lasers, how to make them, safety, etc. The WL topic, however, is for the most part only about "lasers" insofar as the type of product being sold. The subject could very well be for anything, an iPhone, a new computer, a car. It's product-unspecific discussion that could pollute any forum that is related somehow to some commercial product.

If people want to learn about safety, that's great. But you don't need an account to read up on it, and rarely, if ever, are these new accounts used to discuss or ask questions about safety. If people want to learn about lasers, that's awesome, keep on trucking! If you're here to just speculate about a laser you preordered GO TO THE WL FORUM.

When or if this WL product discussion gets forcibly moved to the WL forum we'll see what separates the "riff-raff" from the rest, by how many people actually stick around this forum. We'll see how many people are here just for one laser product, and who actually has an interest in lasers themselves.

 

[ICU]

I stand by my words. Yes, riff-raff. i.e. people who add nothing of anything of value to the hobby or discussion. I'm not saying it applies to everyone who has joined for the WL product, but it does apply to the people who are joining just to yak and speculate about some product they preordered.

I don't consider these statements snobby at all. People are very welcome to join the community to learn about lasers, how to make them, safety, etc. The WL topic, however, is for the most part only about "lasers" insofar as the type of product being sold. The subject could very well be for anything, an iPhone, a new computer, a car. It's product-unspecific discussion that could pollute any forum that is related somehow to some commercial product.

If people want to learn about safety, that's great. But you don't need an account to read up on it, and rarely, if ever, are these new accounts used to discuss or ask questions about safety. If people want to learn about lasers, that's awesome, keep on trucking! If you're here to just speculate about a laser you preordered GO TO THE WL FORUM.

When or if this WL product discussion gets forcibly moved to the WL forum we'll see what separates the "riff-raff" from the rest, by how many people actually stick around this forum. We'll see how many people are here just for one laser product, and who actually has an interest in lasers themselves.

:wave: The reason I originally joined was to thank someone for the safety information they had posted, and yes..... I bought a WL

Still learning my way around the place, I've many questions and have been using 'search' to find some of the answers, (I see many new folks being slammed and told to Search first).

I was looking for information on lasers and crystals (I have collected gemstone, rock and crystals for many years) but all I found were old threads, there again I've seen peep getting slammed for bringing up older threads :undecided:


I've contributed $ to the forum, I've joined in a group buy, I'm not electronically knowledgeable nor have I ever been good at electronics, and doubt I will ever make homemade laser.


I still have many unanswered questions, so if ya don't mine I'll keep searching and put in my .02 here n' there

 

[Xplorer877]

Here is the issue:

There are two kinds of people that come to this forum.

1. First is the kind that are engaged in the science or lasers and partake in building and experimenting with lasers. They seek and provide information about building and modifying. They're interested in the electronics, optics, and setup of a particular laser. In a nutshell, they're interested about the science, construction, and operation. They're willing to learn how to make one.

2. The other kind of members are those who do not experiment with or build lasers. They only come here to gain information about commercially available products (Wicked, Laser Glow, Nova, Rayfoss... ect.), but they also provide reviews about said companies too. They're not really interested in science or DIY, they'd rather just buy completed units.

Now, I'm not saying that group #2 is bad. Not everyone is interested in electronics and building a laser might be intimidating to them. Furthermore, they often provide good reviews of companies and member seeing as they solely buy products form them. It is important to have incite about suppliers because not all kinds of lasers can be made from gutting DVD burners and projectors. But those guys are typically the ones that start vague threads about a particular laser. I don't think there is anything wrong with a thread dedicated to a company's particular product. It wouldn't be fair to ban discussions about Wicked's products and not band discussions about other companies. But in the case with the Arctic, and seeing how nobody has even seen one yet, either the discussions should be consolidated or moved to the reviews section.

The 445nm board should be for the guys in group #1. It's a pain in the a$$ to have to sift through all the stupid conversations about the Arctic to find information. Useful threads get pushed down and off the first page as pointless threads get started and bumped.

Here is what I think may help. Divide the Supplier/Company review sections up according to whom the review concerns. There can be a section for all the companies and even one for lasers sold by members on this forum.

This forum is growing fast so further organization is necessary IMO to keep the information and questions in their appropriate sections.

If the Arctic threads were just deleted then more will just pop up. So they should be moved. Besides we can nit-pick and say no discussions about Wicked but continue to have threads about all the other laser suppliers. Personally I don't like Wicked but that doesn't mean they sell overpriced and underspec crap. That's a matter of opinion; an opinion that should be allowed to be voiced on this forum. But like I said, seeing as the Arctic isn't out yet, I think the mods are within their right to police the redundant threads and limit repetitive discussion about the product until some legit reviews arise.

-Tony

 

[Razako]

Personally I like reading through the WL threads and looking for any updates. Also I enjoy the speculation. Those threads are good entertainment when I get bored. Isn't it possible to just keep the WL threads out of the "most recent posts" so it doesn't fill that up with rubbish? Personally I think this is all just hate against WL and DIY people thinking that the 445nm forum should just be for informative DIY discussion.

Anyway I'm sure that we'll see some other company and product related discussions when O-Like,Laserglow,optotronics release some kind of laser based off these diodes. It's all WL right now because WL is the only company selling ready made 445nm lasers.

 

[kiyoukan]

i would just close the threads and delete any new opened ones.
As they do contain some interesting stuff, if you feel like reading all those pages...

 

[rpaloalto]

I would love to see this happen. They are all relating to a company and their imaginary product. It belongs in the companies thread.
My favorite board is now the 445 thread. It sucks having to see the latest post is always a wicked post.

 

[Bionic-Badger]

Anyway I'm sure that we'll see some other company and product related discussions when O-Like,Laserglow,optotronics release some kind of laser based off these diodes. It's all WL right now because WL is the only company selling ready made 445nm lasers.

Most of those company-specific product threads are in the review section. I haven't seen any threads in this forum dedicated to the sale of a particular product, especially used as a means to supply news on the product. This isn't even like a group buy where someone has sourced some special part and there's a direct line of communication between the seller and the buyer.

Really, I just want that thread out of the 445nm forum and somewhere else. The most appropriate place would be on WL's forums, but it could be in some other section dedicated to commercial products. Really, this forum is not the place for hosting product speculation and purchase threads.

 

[3zuli]

what about just locking all the Spyder III threads, untill the lasers are shipped (and people start receiving them) and then again open them?

 

[Razako]

People need somewhere to complain about it. I mean it's no good complaining on the WL forum as they'll just delete and ban.

 

[Bionic-Badger]

People need somewhere to complain about it. I mean it's no good complaining on the WL forum as they'll just delete and ban.

But so what? Why would we want the place for them to complain to be here? Is there any point to it? Is this a laser products complaint forum?

Hell, I think that's an additional reason to keep that thread out of LPF.

 

[daguin]

People need somewhere to complain about it. I mean it's no good complaining on the WL forum as they'll just delete and ban.

They need to "complain" with their wallets.

Peace,
dave

 

[jayrob]

How about if we move all of them to the waste bin until someone actually as one in their hand? All we are doing is helping to add to the hype

Have you read through either of the threads we tried to use in this last adaptation?

I say we delete them all (to heck with the post counts) and stop being a breeding ground for WL sales.

Peace,
dave

I agree with this...

Steve has also recently shown his true colors and it isn't pretty... Read what he said to Niko about us:
http://laserpointerforums.com/f61/if-you-ordered-52515-2.html#post733016

I say let the banner that he pays for stay, and not allow any other threads about WL to stay or start...

They have their own forum for promotion...

 

[Xplorer877]

When I joined back in 08, everyone hated WL with a passion.

Then I left the forum for about a year and came back to find that everyone loves WL now.
However, it seem that they are once again sliding back down the hill...

If they're going to be A$$holes about it then we should cut them off. If we ban discussions about their products it'll take a chunk out of their profits. Screw em!

-Tony