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Yes, should/could be done. 11 55.00%
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Old 02-03-2011, 07:39 AM #17
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Default Re: Seller/Buyer reputation system

Hi, to really make something like this effective, you'd also need something
like the feedback system on eBay, where after leaving + or - it also asks
for a number, of 1 to 5 , on shipping time, communication, shipping charges,
product was as advertised,... etc... THEN you can add an 80 character
TEXT quote of what you thought of the seller and the rest of what bugs ya.

It's nice, but it takes a great deal of extra resources from the servers,
to keep all that info, and also spit it out with each listing of the messages.

If you did have something like that, so it doesn't slow down the systems,
it could be off screen, until called for, but, it's still going to take lots of
storage space from the server, and work, making this message-base programmed for it.

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This system wouldn't really do anything to effect dealers like Price Angels, DX, Rayfos, etc. Those are all re-shippers and/or drop shippers. The "quality" of the units is much more dependent upon the manufacturers and the luck of the draw for which unit you happen to receive. They do not make them.

All you can measure with these types of sellers is their customer service and return policies. If you haven't dealt with Chinese sellers before, understand that those two things can change with the wind.

This system MAY be more relevant to private, custom builders herein or a small business owned by a forum member. However, as I have stated, I believe that this kind of info is already available in the forum in a more useful format.

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I know that I'm no one here but, before talking to ave, I think I should gather info here.

People, what do you think about suggest to admin a seller reputation system?

Something like, the reputation bars that we have under our profiles? Like yellow bars (to represent RMT, Reputation for Money Trading)? I've received negative reps before, but that does not represent me as a trader. I ship items on the same day (never sold internationally, tho), and pay they before shipping, so this could make me a good buyer/seller, and the people that sell/buys from me could +RMT me.

If I scammed someone, selled damaged items or stoled something, people could -RMT me, but I could still get some REP by helping on forums.

Obviously, when someone get a -RMT, half of the points deducted from RMT would be deducted from REP too.

This is just an idea that could be useful, I'm trying to help so, if it is a bad idea don't blame me please.
From personal experience I have found the rep system to be able to cause somebody to look like a problem/troublemaker when that is the farthest thing from their intention!
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something like this, or a trading comment system maybe?
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I just voted in favour, but I hadn't thought through the practical implications.

Upon reflection, there's probably one big reason that this idea should die on the vine - liability.

It's one thing to have people buying and selling through forum threads and posts. But to have an actual system that facilitates commerce with specific sales and trade related features, changes the role of this site. It pushes the site more firmly into the realm of a sales site. I haven't fully thought through the implications that would follow, but my initial sense is that LPF would be probably be exposing itself to at least an elevated risk of liability. IE, a common-carrier type defense might not be as readily available, if LPF had specifically tailored itself to facilitate the selling of lasers.

Just my gut reaction - not actual legal advice!
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From personal experience I have found the rep system to be able to cause somebody to look like a problem/troublemaker when that is the farthest thing from their intention!
Intention and action are NOT the same thing.

I did not intend to cause the accident, but I caused it. Am I responsible? Of course I am.

The price I pay is NOT as high as if I intended to cause the accident, but I still pay a price.

I can sit around whining about the legal system, OR I can work to get a new system in place, OR I can drive more carefully and earn my good driver status back after a time.

In ALL three reactions, I will still be paying my fine

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Hi Dave. I'm not talking about an accident. I'm talking about the ability in the heat of a moment to do something to someone's reputation if you disagree with or dislike their point of view. My point is that in my instance of off topic point of view makes me look like trouble. I just think that if you are able change someone's reputation that you should do it with great thought and care as you may not be so happy with what you did. I don't want to whine about the system or think I want to change something here I just want to point out a need for awareness of what you are really doing besides just giving a point of view and or reacting to a point of view where reputation is involved.
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Hi Dave. I'm not talking about an accident. I'm talking about the ability in the heat of a moment to do something to someone's reputation if you disagree with or dislike their point of view. My point is that in my instance of off topic point of view makes me look like trouble. I just think that if you are able change someone's reputation that you should do it with great thought and care as you may not be so happy with what you did. I don't want to whine about the system or think I want to change something here I just want to point out a need for awareness of what you are really doing besides just giving a point of view and or reacting to a point of view where reputation is involved.
I know what you were talking about. It is called an analogy. You defended your position using "intention." The accident analogy was simply to place a frame of reference around "intention."

You may not have intended to irritate or anger people but you did. That is not a problem with the rep system. That is a problem with enculturation. In addition, it has absolutely nothing to do with any type of "seller/buyer" rep.

You don't like why you got your neg rep. I understand that. However, the members that neg repped you felt that you needed/deserved it. I don't know why. I didn't neg rep you. You feel that you didn't need/deserve it. It appears that here, you simply want to vent about your dislike of how people use the system.

The point you are talking about is not relevant to the question of "seller/buyer" rep. You "looking like a troublemaker" is not related to the topic of the thread. If you get started on the wrong foot in a group, it takes more time to recover than if you never had a problem to begin with.

Do you have an opinion about a separate seller/buyer rep system?

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I know what you were talking about. It is called an analogy. You defended your position using "intention." The accident analogy was simply to place a frame of reference around "intention."

You may not have intended to irritate or anger people but you did. That is not a problem with the rep system. That is a problem with enculturation. In addition, it has absolutely nothing to do with any type of "seller/buyer" rep.

You don't like why you got your neg rep. I understand that. However, the members that neg repped you felt that you needed/deserved it. I don't know why. I didn't neg rep you. You feel that you didn't need/deserve it. It appears that here, you simply want to vent about your dislike of how people use the system.

The point you are talking about is not relevant to the question of "seller/buyer" rep. You "looking like a troublemaker" is not related to the topic of the thread. If you get started on the wrong foot in a group, it takes more time to recover than if you never had a problem to begin with.

Do you have an opinion about a separate seller/buyer rep system?

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I guess I'm not good with words but what I really mean about the seller/buyer rep system and any other rep system is you have to carefully weigh what you do and are you sure about what you will make permanent. Thanks Dave,
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....you have to carefully weigh what you do and are you sure about what you will make permanent.
It's really not much of an issue, if someone was to regret a neg rep they
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a positive rep, after they spread some rep around to other members.

Also, negative reps only weigh half as much as + reps.

On the topic, it think that yet another reputation system on top
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I think it would render the 1st system obsolete, since forum reputation is
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I gotta go with super mod on this one. When you buy from a good seller who is serious about what they do, they may ask you to give them a good seller feedback in the feedback section IF you had a good buying experience and appreciate what you got. They also might ask IF you would care to do a review, you can search the forums and find TONS of feedback and reviews on good sellers, their products, what they have to offer you, their customer service, and the "buying" experience from them.

That's why every time I make a good purchase that I am happy with and happy with the seller, I always do a feedback on them if I am pleased and explain how things went. That is exactly how I have decided where to spend my money, I most certainly would not 110% trust a number , but rather trust peoples own words and experiences.
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I think that, as the "Trading reputation system" was not fully approved, someone could make a compilation with all the sellers (with more than 3 sells) reputation, like Niko did about "reviews" from lasers from different companies and so..
An example would be DTR (I bought from him) so someone could make a compilation like:

DTR (10 positive 1 negative):
Leodahsan's review (link)
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so someone could look at the compilation and see some info about the seller first. I'm willing to do it and update it, if really needed
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