Ban Darkarmyofone... Again...

Crazy Jay said:

Well, it really isn't too complicated for everyone. I know Tylers type of seller. I see them everywhere in my area. They don't know what being honest is so any of you "neutral" voters need to understand that you are not being the "better person" by not voting. You're just being unwilling to support the forum in deep matters that MUST be attended to.

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Truer words were never spoken!

I have my reservations about revealing anything that isn't my place to do so. I also know some other things about Tyler's conduct here, but since these things didn't happen to me specifically, it is not my place to say anything about them. I would imagine that Dave is in the same boat. There is plenty of evidence that has already been presented, and if those individuals who have disclosed other info to me wish to speak of their experiences, they will.

I voted "No". Why? Well, partly because I have no bad experience with him but mostly because I hate to see people gang up on someone like this (even if it may be called for which is an issue I am not qualified to answer).

I also do not like the fact that some people bring in things like drugs in the debate just to smear someone. I dont have any illusions about drugs creating evil persons so that thing just alienated me to the other side of the argument I suppose.

Also, I think some of the arguments in this matter border on personal hatred (something I am not above myself in some situations I am passionate about, but nevertheless someting I look down upon). I think everyone in here would be better off if the arguments that is feeling-based is kept aside from the discussion as a whole. If you have good arguments you dont need pointed sticks to back them up.

Lastly, I think most people in here are nice people (well, I tend to think good about people, so sue me) but this issue is beginning to draw bad blood and that is really unnessesary.

Being partisan might be a good thing sometimes but this is approaching the "its not nice to be here anymore" line.

Ssargon said:

I voted "No". Why? Well, partly because I have no bad experience with him but mostly because I hate to see people gang up on someone like this (even if it may be called for which is an issue I am not qualified to answer).

I also do not like the fact that some people bring in things like drugs in the debate just to smear someone. I dont have any illusions about drugs creating evil persons so that thing just alienated me to the other side of the argument I suppose.

Also, I think some of the arguments in this matter border on personal hatred (something I am not above myself in some situations I am passionate about, but nevertheless someting I look down upon). I think everyone in here would be better off if the arguments that is feeling-based is kept aside from the discussion as a whole. If you have good arguments you dont need pointed sticks to back them up.

Lastly, I think most people in here are nice people (well, I tend to think good about people, so sue me) but this issue is beginning to draw bad blood and that is really unnessesary.

Being partisan might be a good thing sometimes but this is approaching the "its not nice to be here anymore" line.

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So what you're saying is as long as the crook don't rob you, you have no beef with him. Gotcha, chief.

Ssargon said:

I voted "No". Why? Well, partly because I have no bad experience with him but mostly because I hate to see people gang up on someone like this (even if it may be called for which is an issue I am not qualified to answer).

I also do not like the fact that some people bring in things like drugs in the debate just to smear someone. I dont have any illusions about drugs creating evil persons so that thing just alienated me to the other side of the argument I suppose.

Also, I think some of the arguments in this matter border on personal hatred (something I am not above myself in some situations I am passionate about, but nevertheless someting I look down upon). I think everyone in here would be better off if the arguments that is feeling-based is kept aside from the discussion as a whole. If you have good arguments you dont need pointed sticks to back them up.

Lastly, I think most people in here are nice people (well, I tend to think good about people, so sue me) but this issue is beginning to draw bad blood and that is really unnessesary.

Being partisan might be a good thing sometimes but this is approaching the "its not nice to be here anymore" line.

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So you're saying you approve of or condone the kinds of behaviors that Dark has exhibited here? If that's not what you're saying, then perhaps you could enlighten us with a different way of handling this problem? Because by voting no you have (wittingly or unwittingly) endorsed Darks behavior.

Rather than take a stand based on the evidence you have been presented, you would instead prefer to accuse the people who are fighting for good here of being hate-motivated?

Apparently you voted without viewing the evidence at hand.

You claim this is unneccesary? How do you figure? Dealing with the FACT that we have a thief in our midst is unneccesary? I can think of little that is MORE necessary.

ElektroFreak said:

agreed.. what exactly are you waiting for Jerry? It matters not if you vote yes now or vote yes later..... unless............you're possibly contemplating voting no... but that's surely not possible. Is it?

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I voted seconds after my "Patience Grasshopper" post...
You guys are so excited that you don't even read the names
of members that voted...
Be careful.. you'll pee your pants....:crackup:


@ Ssargon....

Have you not read anything posted in this Thread alone....
Are you not a part of this Forum community...:thinking:
Don't you care that someone is selling to new members under
false pretenses and shafting members in your community..:thinking:

Or are you only looking out for yourself...:undecided:

Don't misunderstand me... You have the right to vote the
way you wish... I was just responding to your post....


Jerry

^As of the time I wrote that, I hadn't seen your name in the list. It's important that the senior members stick together on this, and you are a VERY senior member.

Yup, and Jerry's gonna send me a LeserBee I LPM Deluxe with free shipping after Tyler's banned. I swear Jerry is such an awesome guy. Oh yeah, Jerry don't forget the fries with that as you did promise. Thanks!

robjdixon said:

I have read it. I know everything that has been released. Why hide things from us?
Surely he wants to be as persuasive as possible?

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I have already stated this fairly clearly:

1) It would take way too much time and space. I have over 50 PM's alone pertaining to this issue. Would you like me to post them all? People already are tiring of this and you want me to post more?

2) Some people have not given me permission to use their information. I don't agree with their decisions, but they are their decisions to make.

3) Some people are still trying to get a laser delivered and/or their money back from him. Exposing them to Tyler's ire will NOT help them get their stuff delivered or money returned.

I cannot both stop the flamewars and tell you everything in a posting folks. If you dont think he is a thief and a lying cheat, then vote to retain him. If you like theives and cheaters vote to retain him.

I you want this forum to stand for something more than just a market base, then help me clean house and run this vermin out of the forum.

I am so tired of situational ethics and the "prove it to ME personally" mentality. The facts are very clear. If it is not enough,then enjoy living in this home you are building.

This statement has no bearing on Jerry. He is here in the discussion. I am most disappointed in the veterans that have decided to "stay out of it" and/or to avoid the conflict. I leave you with a quote I gave earlier.

The only thing needed for evil to triumph is for good men (sic) to do nothing.

If you lament the condition of the forum and do nothng to help it, you are helping those that are running it down. Tyler is most definitley active in this. Why aren't you?

If I am wrong about what we want this forum to be, then may be it is I who no longer belongs here.

Peace,
dave

daguin said:

If you lament the condition of the forum and do nothing to help it, you are helping those that are running it down. Tyler is most definitely active in this. Why aren't you?

Peace,
dave

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This just needs to be visible.. It should be in the first post.. it really should be repeated in EVERY post.

its actually a little disappointing to see some of the vets that voted to keep him here. im not downing anyone for their decision but the evidence is right in front of you. tyler has screwed up time after time after time and you guys just keep expecting all of us to keep forgiving? it doesnt work like that... a person can only take so much... how much can you take?

daguin said:

If I am wrong about what we want this forum to be, then may be it is I who no longer belongs here.

Peace,
dave

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I can't speak for anyone but myself, but if these "no" votes want this place to be a safe haven for thieves, liars, cheats, and con-men, they're off to a real good start. As if this forum doesn't have enough problems.

I DO NOT want this to be a place where I feel uncomfortable doing business. That much I can say with certainty.

Ssargon said:

I voted "No". Why? Well, partly because I have no bad experience with him but mostly because I hate to see people gang up on someone like this (even if it may be called for which is an issue I am not qualified to answer).

I also do not like the fact that some people bring in things like drugs in the debate just to smear someone. I dont have any illusions about drugs creating evil persons so that thing just alienated me to the other side of the argument I suppose.

Also, I think some of the arguments in this matter border on personal hatred (something I am not above myself in some situations I am passionate about, but nevertheless someting I look down upon). I think everyone in here would be better off if the arguments that is feeling-based is kept aside from the discussion as a whole. If you have good arguments you dont need pointed sticks to back them up.

Lastly, I think most people in here are nice people (well, I tend to think good about people, so sue me) but this issue is beginning to draw bad blood and that is really unnessesary.

Being partisan might be a good thing sometimes but this is approaching the "its not nice to be here anymore" line.

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lmao ganging up on someone? do you not understand what is meant by a "self moderated" forum?

i agree about the drug issue though.. ive been a pothead for quite a long time and have only quit recently so i can find a job. drugs have nothing to do with character in my opinion.. it did go to prove that he is a liar though... so it was necassary in this situation.

personal hatred? do you like scammers and theives? i dont. i hate them. does that mean i personally hate tyler? NO! we went through the same thing to get rid of jake21/jake22 who also proved himself to be a scammer... again its the "self moderated" forum thing again....

lastly you should not have even voted if you didnt bother to read the evidence in front of you... no ones opinion should have mattered to you but your own whether it was motivated by hatred or whatever... you should have made a judgement based on the evidence, not what you think you see.

@ those asking for "proofs": Dave's word is a proof in itself for me and it would also be it for you if you had ever stopped and looked at Daguin history here.

I'm sure most of you understand me and others are now thinking I'm just an asslicker, but well, I've got my own reasons to believe him.

Hallucynogenyc said:

@ those asking for "proofs": Dave's word is a proof in itself for me and it would also be it for you if you had ever stopped and looked at Daguin history here.

I'm sure most of you understand me and others are now thinking I'm just an asslicker, but well, I've got my own reasons to believe him.

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You're not an ass licker, Dave is very respectable and his word is as good as gold to me also. The part that confuses me Albert is if you believe Dave & the evidence provided, then why did you vote no?....

mfo said:

You're not an ass licker, Dave is very respectable and his word is as good as gold to me also. The part that confuses me Albert is if you believe Dave & the evidence provided, then why did you vote no?....

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i wondered the same thing after his last post....