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Tech_Junkie said:

Thankfully I collect antique housewares, tools, ect. Makes jumping off the grid much easier.

Osama was on dialysis for a long time. He died of natural causes, and we made it look like it was our doing. If you knew any older people on dialysis you'd know they are not really a threat. I doubt he could even pick up a riffle.

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All he had to do is get someone else to do his
deeds...
Like he already did.... He didn't actually pilot
those 2 planes himself....

Jerry

Its no secret his families companies (oil, and construction) have been working for major governments, including ours, for decades. Some of his family live in this country, and have direct ties with Bush family and others. This is not conspiracy, its fact. Look it up if you dont believe it. I think Osama was more of an embarrassment to his family than anything else.

IMO I think as favor to the family we let him slide, and knew where he was the whole time. A 6 foot Arab toting a dialysis machine through the hills of Afghanistan is not hard to miss. After all we found Saddam in a hole in the ground. You have to consider the huge amount of money at stake from the business we do with his family. Osama him self was no direct threat. He commanded no army, and he was no government leader. He did have an influence, but he didnt change anything that wasnt already in motion. He was presented to us as a high priority target, but if you look outside the box he was not really any threat at all. He was a rabble-rouser, and nothing more.

So I think they waited till he was finally on the death bed, and took him out. Think about it, its the only option that saves face for everyone involved. Even the way he was buried at sea pacified the Muslim extremists, and fundamentalists. It could not have gone any better. This isnt conspiracy, its genius.

I know a few people in the military, they said they had him in there sites several times but were not given clearance to pull the trigger. Go figure.

^^^Well, let's see. First we had Afghanistan. What was the point of that war again? Oh right to destroy al queda... Not exactly mission accomplished.

That didn't pan out, so let's put together some great sound bites like the Axiz of Evil, put a pin into an oil rich country with a despot. Yell WMD a few times, and voila we have a second war to get rid of a dictator and prevent a major calamity when WMD's would be used on american soil. Fight the battles over there, so they don't have to be fought over here and all that right?

Years, billions and thousands of lives later... no WMD's... dictator is dead, and still the war went on. Coincidentally bin laden is "located" all of a sudden in a country that's a close ally in the "war of terror" (whoops, that should have been "on").

Now we have a new election in full swing, a huge deficit, an economy in the crapper, and no war to fight.

Wait... what's this... IRAN! To the rescue, at least there is a war. Nut job in charge... check. Oil rich totalitarian regime... check. We'll be there by 2015 at the latest, and our new corporate figurehead in charge will be happy to direct our efforts to a brand new and shiny war, after all... iran is also developing WMDs, and there is the added bonus of spreading democracy.

Ok, conspiracy theory time over. Back to our regularly scheduled paranoia:tinfoil:

InfinitusEquitas said:

^^^Well, let's see. First we had Afghanistan. What was the point of that war again? Oh right to destroy al queda... Not exactly mission accomplished.

That didn't pan out, so.......spreading democracy.

Ok, conspiracy theory time over. Back to our regularly scheduled paranoia:tinfoil:

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:bowdown: I never heard something like it, but its the truth afaik.. i totally agree on that!!
But the main problem arised when innocent lives were taken for no good reason, i mean wtf?
If someone invades your country, kill all your friends, family.. what is the point of life remaining for you!! and at those circumstances revenge is the only option imo.. America tried every weapon in the war, destruction all over afghanistan, killing children , but they failed to intimidate them!!
If you can't intimidate them you can't win from them!!

How can you intimidate someone who believes if they die for the cause they are rewarded in heaven with virgins, and greatness. You cant. Unlike ourselves who are so afraid to die we'd sell out our mother. Thats how terrorism works. We dont believe in holy wars anymore, but there are still many countries out there that do. They are used to be being bombed, losing their loved ones, and everything they own. The whole point of 911 was to make us feel it too. Which I think is BS. We all carry our own crosses. Just because mine is smaller than yours does not mean you should pile more on mine to make me feel like you. We take care of our own, thats the way its suppose to be.

Also one of the main reasons they hate us is because we are the only nation supporting Israel. If Iran, Syria, and most of the countries in the area had there way Israel would be a black spot on the map.

Tech_Junkie said:

How can you intimidate someone who believes if they die for the cause they are rewarded in heaven with virgins, and greatness. You cant. Unlike ourselves who are so afraid to die we'd sell out our mother. Thats how terrorism works. We dont believe in holy wars anymore, but there are still many countries out there that do. They are used to be being bombed, losing their loved ones, and everything they own. The whole point of 911 was to make us feel it too. Which I think is BS. We all carry our own crosses. Just because mine is smaller than yours does not mean you should pile more on mine to make me feel like you. We take care of our own, thats the way its suppose to be.

Also one of the main reasons they hate us is because we are the only nation supporting Israel. If Iran, Syria, and most of the countries in the area had there way Israel would be a black spot on the map.

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Well I wouldn't be to disappointed. :crackup: :na:

I don't agree with Israel at all, but if they did that, then they would be worse than Israel. :thinking:

Sorry for being off-topic.

I dont agree with them either. But, if Israel didnt exists, it would be a much quieter world. Its amazing how such a small country can cause so much unrest across the globe. But obviously they have the right to live just like everyone else.

Tech_Junkie said:

I dont agree with them either. But, if Israel didnt exists, it would be a much quieter world. Its amazing how such a small country can cause so much unrest across the globe. But obviously they have the right to live just like everyone else.

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Yep, I really wouldn't have a problem with them if they weren't so violent to Palestine and didn't steal anyone's land... Of course most people dont care because they dont like Muslims , even in the US Ive had to kick a couple asses beacuse they were being racist assholes to my mom. But of course everyone has the right to live and freedom.


and InfinitusEquitas why would you - rep me for saying I dont agree with Israel, it was a opinion? I have the right to say what I want in a respectful manner.

And why did you put Shalom in the reason? I dont know what it means...

He's a Jew. And proving my point. I thought we were talking openly. Guess not. No one said they hate Jews.

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He's a Jew. And proving my point. I thought we were talking openly. Guess not. No one said they hate Jews.

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He misunderstood, a lot of my friends are Jews, I have nothing against jews, Just the people involved in Palestine.

Saying I hate all jews because of Palestine is like saying all muslims are terrorists because of 9/11 and I again I have lots of Jew friends.

I hate racists no matter of the race or religion they dislike. Even muslim racists like Terrorists..

Apparently he is the racist.

Haloid95 said:

Well I wouldn't be to disappointed. :crackup: :na:

I don't agree with Israel at all, but if they did that, then they would be worse than Israel. :thinking:

Sorry for being off-topic.

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You may not agree with the country, but do you seriously want a black spot there? Or one controlled by islamist fanatics?

It's amazing to me that such a tiny country, with very few natural resources (it's a freaking desert for the most part!) gets such a bad rep.

Has Israel started any of the wars that it's been in? No.

Is Israel a democratic country? Yes.

Do any of the countries surrounding Israel have anywhere near the same standard of living? No.

Is it perfect? Or course not. There are the same issues as with any democracy, but compare Israel to any of it's neighbors when it comes to quality of life, and it's a world of difference.

Study the history of the formation of Israel, and it's history after. Visit it. Visit it's neighbors.

After that draw your conclusions, but not before, and certainly not such drastic ones.

Tech_Junkie said:

I dont agree with them either. But, if Israel didnt exists, it would be a much quieter world. Its amazing how such a small country can cause so much unrest across the globe. But obviously they have the right to live just like everyone else.

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And that right there is the problem. Where do you propose they live? Did they come and take the land by force? No, they migrated there peacefully, and kept to themselves for the most part. At least prior to being attacked several times.

Also don't forget that the majority of it's neighbors don't just want to control israel, they want to WIPE IT OUT.

Haloid95 said:

Yep, I really wouldn't have a problem with them if they weren't so violent to Palestine and didn't steal anyone's land... Of course most people dont care because they dont like Muslims , even in the US Ive had to kick a couple asses beacuse they were being racist assholes to my mom. But of course everyone has the right to live and freedom.

and InfinitusEquitas why would you - rep me for saying I dont agree with Israel, it was a opinion? I have the right to say what I want in a respectful manner.

And why did you put Shalom in the reason? I dont know what it means...

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How do you react if someone punches you? How about if they punch you again... and again, and again? Has Israel ever been the aggressor or instigator in any of major wars? Check your facts.

As for stealing... is it stealing if you come to an empty piece of land, where your ancestors lived, and try to make a life there? Exactly where was the theft? Did the settlers forcibly relocate the indigenous population? No they didn't.

You agree that everyone has the right to live... and yet you wouldn't be too disappointed if it was a black spot on the map. Interesting.

It means hello. Or goodbye. As in HELLO, do some research before formulating an opinion, especially a rather extreme one.

Tech_Junkie said:

He's a Jew. And proving my point. I thought we were talking openly. Guess not. No one said they hate Jews.

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What point would that be? That I hate opinions formed of a closed mind, and lack of knowledge? Btw, I do recall you being rather proud of your German heritage.

Haloid95 said:

He misunderstood, a lot of my friends are Jews, I have nothing against jews, Just the people involved in Palestine.

Saying I hate all jews because of Palestine is like saying all muslims are terrorists because of 9/11 and I again I have lots of Jew friends.

I hate racists no matter of the race or religion they dislike. Even muslim racists like Terrorists..

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If I misunderstood or over reacted to your comment I'm sorry.

That said though, I find it very odd that you have lots of jewish friends and yet don't know the word Shalom.

Also I'm not entirely sure how you can separate Jews and Israel.

Bottom line is I don't react well to any blanket statements of hate or ignorance.

Tech_Junkie said:

Apparently he is the racist.

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Care to elaborate of you're just tossing around insults as usual?

Your critique of me leaving a neg rep (which btw I already asked c0ld to remove) is really rich. I mean you Never neg rep anyone over their opinion right? Oh wait... what were those five times? I must have imagined them.

InfinitusEquitas said:

You may not agree with the country, but do you seriously want a black spot there? Or one controlled by islamist fanatics?

It's amazing to me that such a tiny country, with very few natural resources (it's a freaking desert for the most part!) gets such a bad rep.

Has Israel started any of the wars that it's been in? No.

Is Israel a democratic country? Yes.

Do any of the countries surrounding Israel have anywhere near the same standard of living? No.

Is it perfect? Or course not. There are the same issues as with any democracy, but compare Israel to any of it's neighbors when it comes to quality of life, and it's a world of difference.

Study the history of the formation of Israel, and it's history after. Visit it. Visit it's neighbors.

After that draw your conclusions, but not before, and certainly not such drastic ones.

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I dont want a black spot there ( that would be genocide) and again I actually like a jewish girl I just think they should be nice to the people they took some land from.

Im sorry if I offended you, but I just dont see it as right what they did, not everyone has the same opinion and some people see things different than other people do. And both sides always think there right. I have said my opinion and you have said yours. Both of us truly think we are right and fair. Do I hate Jewish people, no. Do I disagree with Zionism, yes.

Haloid95 said:

I dont want a black spot there ( that would be genocide) and again I actually like a jewish girl I just think they should be nice to the people they took some land from.

Im sorry if I offended you, but I just dont see it as right what they did, not everyone has the same opinion and some people see things different than other people do. And both sides always think there right. I have said my opinion and you have said yours. Both of us truly think we are right and fair. Do I hate Jewish people, no. Do I disagree with Zionism, yes.

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Fair enough, we can agree to disagree.

If you get the chance though, study a bit more about Israeli history.

I'll ask c0ld to take off the neg rep from you.

Edit - PM to c0ld sent.