What if?

What if the world lived in total anarchy?
What would happen according to you?

This thread is meant to start a discussion about the subject just to see how people here on LPF think about it
And maybe get a good fun discussion going about it

Do you watch the Doomsday preppers on the National Geographic channel ? The most crazy ideas are used by the people.
I think the most important thing is capable to defend yourself. No use to keep a large stock if they are looted by someone else.

Putting yourself and family first, getting supplies and stickpling them, getting a gun etc to defend yourself, money as time went on wouldn't mean as much as food,and water and shelter a barter system would eventually come into effect, possessions would become the new money in the future depending how long a system of anarchy prevailed .basic things we take for granted water and electricity would fail it would certainly be a place of the fittest survive .

You'd get Afghanistan. Warlords. The entire history of man has been warlords. Sometimes one of them gets big enough to become a king. But kings get taken out by bigger more powerful kings. In a WROL ( without rule of law ) world where chaos reigned civilization would quickly devolve into small enclaves of survivors with a warlord ruling over them. Only the most badass, well armed and well organized groups would stand a chance. 90% of humanity would be killed off in the first two or three years. JMO

Sheesh, no fairy tale here

Lack of food, power, water, shelter basic needs would kill most early on. Just how long can you stockpile? Bullets, water, food all run out eventually.

Cannibalism not so outlandish, desperate people can do horrible things. Roaches and Rats on the menu anyone?



~ LB

''Saying that we cannot survive without a government is like saying a sheep would die without a farm''

''laws are useless because those we do good do not need laws to tell them what they should and shouldn't do and those who do bad will find a way around those laws anyway''

Those are a few sayings i strongly believe in... personally i think we are better of without someone ''above'' us telling us what we can and cannot do..
atleast then we will know what freedom really is and not the kind of fake freedom we have now where you are only free if you can afford your freedom...

In other words if you have no money you have no freedom because if you have no money you have nothing and will end up living in the streets with nothing and no one..

no money means no food, house, medical care... just a few examples of how you need money to be free...

Basically our way of freedom is nothing more then an ilusion... a cruel fantasy which we keep alive by believing we need a piece of paper to tell us what we can and can't do...
Isn't it idiotic to let a piece of green paper decide who can and who can't eat tonight?
Millions starve in africa becouse they do not have this piece of paper which we have given a fictional value too...
While there is enough food in the world to feed all those people for a lifetime!
Just look at what we throw away everyday... and just because poor people do not have this piece of paper they do not have the right to have a decent meal?
Aslong as we keep believing that we need a system like this and that we need governments who enforce this sytem we will never know peace and we will never know the end of poverty and hunger...


Just think about it for a minute... we let a piece of paper decide who lives and who dies... how stupid are we?

Currently? Chaos.

However, if we lived in a perfect society where everyone looked out for one another, and placed no value on consumerism or personal gain alone it could work. There would be no need for laws, rules & boundaries if everyone looked out for one another.

Any honey bee will give his life to defend the hive. Most people are not as noble.

As much as I would like to believe that a utopia like could exist it will never happen. Humans do not have it in their nature.

I've lived most of my life in an Urban environment. Without supplies trucked in the basic necessities will run out in 3 days. People here don't live off the land and would be hard pressed to do so. Most would die.

Without organization, even if we do have resources, their not going to get anywhere.

What is the cause of the Anarchy? Political? Environmental? Solar flare, pandemic, social/political collapse? The elite may survive in their underground bunkers to maintain continuation of government. Maybe those in rural areas may survive, if the environment isn't destroyed. It all depends on the cause.

~ LB

How i see our system..

Sounds about right :thinking:

There was a song many years ago that summed it up this way...

"Birth, School, Work, Death"

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Things change when what people think of as the basic necessities are gone...



~ LB

Hislordship said:

''laws are useless because those we do good do not need laws to tell them what they should and shouldn't do and those who do bad will find a way around those laws anyway''

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This is so terribly uninformed, I don't know where to begin... so I won't.

nueces said:

... Warlords...king... bigger more powerful kings...organized groups...

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I don't think you understand what anarchy is.

The anarchy would most likely be caused by war. The world is ruled by warmongering arms dealers, criminal bankers, and criminal drug dealers who care for no one but themselves and care about nothing but power and money. With today's technology and current state of politics and diplomacy it is possible to start a war that might not end until all of civilization is completely undone and desolate. Many of you are too young to remember or to have lived during the cold war era when we all lived in fear of nuclear war, it was nice to watch the beginning of its end in 1989 - 90, but today I am beginning to have that fear again. Assuming the human race survives, your children and grandchildren will either grow up in a world with Star Trek level technology or in a post war wasteland where people kill each other over water and scraps of food. It is more urgent than ever that we all try to do our part to make sure the later of those two doesn't happen.

Alan

Being upset with the way things are is fine. Humanity obviously has problems. But then it always has. But throwing away the system of money would do nothing but put us back to a system of bartering. Money is a system. An organizational system that works. Bartering is a system too but it entails hauling around large loads of 'stuff' to trade with. Money is so much simpler.

But with money you need a rule of law. To curtail cheaters. And you need a rule of law to stop violent criminals ... of all kinds.

Western civilization has been the best system mankind has come up with so far. It works for the most part. It allows for the greatest freedom and possibility for creativity and 'happiness' for the greatest number of individuals.

Whining and complaining about it because its not some fairytale utopia is the sport of childish fools.

nueces said:

Being upset with the way things are is fine.

...complaining about it...is the sport of childish fools.

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Your NEXT post better make sense. :scowl:

anarchy is mostly an absence of hierarchy. I'd like to see social anarchy if it could work. the hard part is getting people to do what's right without coercion or threat of force. I could do it, but I'm not saying the world could. anarchy doesn't preclude cooperation. Lots of the people running the world are guilty of the most heinous crimes, meanwhile us proletariat can be imprisoned or killed for crimes that by comparison are orders of magnitude more petty. I sometimes wonder which situation would have most people worse off, as well as the environment.

another thing, if there are no hierarchies, does that include god? could people do what is right without threat of eternal hellfire too? has religion just been a way to control fearful people all along?

Cyparagon said:

Your NEXT post better make sense. :scowl:

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An honest quote might persuade me you cared about an honest debate.