Oh crap, a really mean Canadian

JLSE said:

Rehabilitate? We are not talking about thieves, nor petty criminals here, we are
talking 'monsters'. There is a huge difference.

Even if there were such thing as 'rehab' for these types, they simply dont
deserve it.

I will give an example > Judge calls Tori Stafford killer a 'monster' at sentencing - Canada - CBC News

Find all the articles you can on this case, and tell me, if you were this
little girls father, you wouldnt go 'medevil' on the killer.

Something like that ever happened to my kids, the killer better pray the cops
get to him first. I'd gut him like a fish without a second thought.

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I feel the same way, if someone touched any of my family.

TheReddish said:

I disagree with punishment, since we do not have the tech to fix them yet, I think they should be put to sleep, we are just animals after all, but what we need is some kinda break though in brain science, until then a little dose of murder keeps society safe.

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I don't really believe you would stick to your quoted opinion
and disagree if one of these immoral animals did the same
thing to one of your precious immediate family members...


Jerry

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lasersbee said:

I don't really believe you would stick to your quoted opinion
and disagree if one of these immoral animals did the same
thing to one of your precious immediate family members...

Jerry

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Don't insult animals, man.

In that regard, animals fare heluva lot better than we do.
How many animals kill their own kind? (beside spiders, those don't count in animals, they count in Mordor's spawned creatures or something).

Spiders are insects...

On second thoughts... I think the nature automatically balances itself, there are nice people, there will be bad people. Otherwise, there won't be such thing as nice people.

I have seen apes and othe animals kill each others on animals, that I did. Especially before they mate, or when a group has too many members...

But hey, you never know, it could be the pollution we put in the air and water that is changing us...

Eudaimonium said:

Don't insult animals, man.

In that regard, animals fare heluva lot better than we do.
How many animals kill their own kind? (beside spiders, those don't count in animals, they count in Mordor's spawned creatures or something).

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Eudaimonium said:

Don't insult animals, man.

In that regard, animals fare heluva lot better than we do.
How many animals kill their own kind? (beside spiders, those don't count in animals, they count in Mordor's spawned creatures or something).

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Lions kill their own cubs, as well as the cubs of cheetah's etc. Lions
also do this when a new alpha male enters the pride.

Even house cats kill their own kittens, mother or father alike.

Chimpanzees have been shown to kill each other at similar per
capita rates to humans.

Kill them all and let their gods sort them out. Their are some sick mofos out there and we need to exterminate them just like any other rodent. I also believe the punishment should be 10x the crime.

JLSE said:

Lions kill their own cubs, as well as the cubs of cheetah's etc. Lions
also do this when a new alpha male enters the pride.

Even house cats kill their own kittens, mother or father alike.

Chimpanzees have been shown to kill each other at similar per
capita rates to humans.

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Yeah but all that happens quite rarily (except chimpanzees) and to be perfectly honest, for some reason or other, like too many members in a pack or whatever.

Now to think of it...

What if such things are hard-coded in DNA from long before? Because, any beings' evolutionary path will eventually reach a point where it is no longer threatened by nature and overpopulation would be unavoidable, if not for these "safeguards"? So every once in a while something like that kicks in, total loss of respect for life, resulting in killings?

It'd be impossible to estimate how many people would now currently be on Earth if nobody was never murdered, but we could be sure it'd be "too many".

JLSE said:

LOL! Your assumption would be correct... Damn those 4am posts,
never seem to convey what im thinking :undecided:

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I just read it with a cockney accent in mind, haha and didn't even notice the error....

"b 'edding"

XD

Eudaimonium said:

Yeah but all that happens quite rarily (except chimpanzees) and to be perfectly honest, for some reason or other, like too many members in a pack or whatever.

Now to think of it...

What if such things are hard-coded in DNA from long before? Because, any beings' evolutionary path will eventually reach a point where it is no longer threatened by nature and overpopulation would be unavoidable, if not for these "safeguards"? So every once in a while something like that kicks in, total loss of respect for life, resulting in killings?

It'd be impossible to estimate how many people would now currently be on Earth if nobody was never murdered, but we could be sure it'd be "too many".

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Most serial killers get sexual gratification through their crimes. If population
control was an aspect in humans, why not our sexual appetite decrease, not
be just as high as it is.

Another point I would make is that most serial killers kill and torture animals
at some point in their life, usually as kids. Even Luka mentioned in the OP is said
to have killed kittens and posted the video a couple of years ago.

Most murders I hear about in the news are usually for gain of something, if not
anger. Random killings seem less common, where a murder is committed for absolutely no reason.

JLSE said:

Most serial killers get sexual gratification through their crimes. If population
control was an aspect in humans, why not our sexual appetite decrease, not
be just as high as it is.

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Well who says it isn't?

For example, there's a theory that homosexuality and asexuality is a DNA-coded safeguard against overpopulation. I dunno where but I believe I've read it once.

I'm pretty sure that it's within out basic instics to care for our own, as well as others life and well-being. So if you have a "bug in a code", and that goes out the window, you essentually cannot view killing somebody/something as wrong.

Sure, there are a LOT of other environmental factors, such as conditions under which somebody grew up (those two with Wiki entry, those sure didn't grow up under a glass bell), but I believe that there just has to be some sort of genetic prequisite for complete loss of value for somebody else's life.

For example, there was a statistic that only somewhere around 20-25% of people who went through all the army training and everything, are capable of taking a life and pulling the trigger. There was a reason why those infamous firing squads during executions counted a dozen men, while logic dictates that one man with a gun should be enough; 80% of people simply missed intentionally because they cannot take another man's life. It's just programmed into our DNA, that's who we are.

Or well... at least, a majority.

Eudaimonium said:

For example, there was a statistic that only somewhere around 20-25% of people who went through all the army training and everything, are capable of taking a life and pulling the trigger. There was a reason why those infamous firing squads during executions counted a dozen men, while logic dictates that one man with a gun should be enough; 80% of people simply missed intentionally because they cannot take another man's life. It's just programmed into our DNA, that's who we are.

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I think you're right about genetics being a factor when it comes to sick minded criminals, but I also think that anyone can kill under the right circumstances and there are times when it is an acceptable option. I'm thankful that I've never had cause to, but I wouldn't hesitate to blow anyone away that threatened my safety or that of my loved ones, particularly within my home. And if it comes to that, you'd better shoot to kill because if you don't the bastards can sue you in court for their injuries and hardship, and the prosecutor's office might doubt the seriousness of the threat you faced if there are no witnesses. It's happened multiple times in the US.

ElektroFreak, I agree with everything you said, but this isn't about defending our lives, or lives of our loved ones - I don't think I'd hesitate either, if it came to that.

I was talking about them, when you do not have the "kill or be killed" scenario, you're not protecting your life. What possible reason could somebody come up with to murder an innocent woman who they never saw before in their lives in the street, middle of the day?

That's not just a breakdown in a simple instinct to protect somebody else's life, that's a *need* to kill, and it's just so wrong that I still can't believe that happens.

I am not saying they should walk free, but they are sick, and the word sick implies something, if my whole families was killed nothing would ever bring them back, and more pain and murder in thier name is just going to make me the one who is sick. They also may have friends or family, if you torture someone it does not matter if you think your right or wrong, your the one that is sick, I take the phrase eye for an eye with as much credibility as I give the bible, none. We are animals, do you take a lion that kills and eats ppl and torture them, nope you put him down.

Would you really want to create a virtual hell? I mean stop and think, you want to be the virtual devil????

These people do things to their own species that animals do not. I get what you're saying, but that sentiment, warm and fuzzy as it is, does nothing to help the situation. Severe and painful punishment for the most heinous crimes would send a message that just might change a mind somewhere IMO. To me that justifies it.

If somebody put a gun in my hand and told me to kill another, i'd fall into that 80%

But like EF said, if it was my safety, my families safety, or even an innocent
stranger being attacked, I would not hesitate to act, nor regret it. There is nothing in my
mind that would make me feel bad about it. Maybe it has to do with ease of justifying.

In the case with the 'maniacs', I think they were too young to appreciate life.
For most people, we really have no true understanding without age.

Youthful exuberance and a f***ed up moral compass seem to be a big
part in their case.

I fail to see the logic on why torture is good. I do not see any reason to use it as punishment, I can think a few reasons one may need some info extraction. That is another matter lol. I am not a judge or a jury and punishment is well outside my realm of dictation. What we really need to do, is take that virtual hell money and spend it in brain science. We will someday be able to look at someone and tell you if they are insane. Hopefully fix the issue at a young age, you think they want to be sick and twisted? I do not think them figures about trained soldiers are real., if you get shot at your going to shoot back. Its about survival. I am a pacifist I guess, I also was a ramp gunner on a shithook and convoy driver, I had to implode someones head with a 5lbs hand sledge, their is not a day that goes by that I don't feel dirty, but I did what I had to do. DO you want to feel dirty forever?>