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Russia are more concerned with their own issues, birth rates being one thing given the vast size of country and how sparsely populated it is. They don't worry me much and Putin has openly said they want to keep to themselves. If the west keeps poking it however, it will be a different matter. That's why I want trump to get in.

The US needs to stop doing stupid things to antagonise them, like placing missiles in the Far East that can then be upgraded to a range capable of intruding into Russia. Tomahawk missiles I think they are.


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You are probably right about us antagonising them, but how do you explain them flying bombers in our airspace and sailing aircraft carriers in our waters. I don't see that as keeping to themselves. It may be harmless training, but it is still unnerving.
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You are probably right about us antagonising them, but how do you explain them flying bombers in our airspace and sailing aircraft carriers in our waters. I don't see that as keeping to themselves. It may be harmless training, but it is still unnerving.

The US/UK do the same things to them, we just don't hear about it from our media. Both sides have been doing it since the Cold War. NATO are the ones sticking missile defense systems right near the Russian border, which has the possibility to negate MAD, which is a large part of the reason the Russians aren't happy and why they are developing new weapons, in order to maintain the balance of power.

As for the aircraft carrier, pretty sure they just took the easiest route to get to Syria, rather than taking some roundabout way.
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The planes I can't make comment on, I know about it but I haven't researched into why it happened. Yes it was bullish of them [Russia], and I'm not saying that by any stretch they are perfect.

When you reference the ships sailing through our waters, if you mean the recent trips they made when they were on the offensive regarding Syria etc. they didn't really have a choice. If you look on the map, the ships had to sail from the northern peninsula of Russia (I don't know exactly which part) around France and Spain, underneath Europe. It was the quickest route and it wouldn't have been reasonable or realistic to expect them to go above Scotland (towards the strait of Denmark) just to make the trip.

If you had said to me a year ago I would have verging on pro-Russia standpoints, I'd have laughed at you. However, the more I research and read sources from all kinds of places, the more I learn that what we're fed in the west is engineered only certain ways. Russia is not the USSR anymore and while the installation of Putin and the history it holds is questionable, his primary view is to protect the Russian people. When you look at how much oil Russia sits on, it's little wonder the US is playing bully boy tactics in the way it is. The US has been less than forthcoming and now they're placing missiles in places they probably shouldn't.. I've posted clips outlining this before, and for what Putin has to say in response.

As an addition, the primary problem here as I see it is this:-

Russia, unlike the west, is more accepting of a) keeping to themselves and b) isn't hell bent on eradicating eastern dictatorship and installing democracy. The murder of Saddam Hussein, and the attempted removal of Assad, is largely what has given rise to the last 10 years of terrorism. Assad, say what you will about him, is/has been largely responsible for keeping ISIS under control. The US doesn't like this, and is effectively arming the rebels. Russia backs Assad, rather than trying to remove him from control, and this is what creates such tension between Russia and the west.
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My view on the Russians are that country is starting to look like they are getting better over there for their people, while the USA is getting worse. Well, unless you are of a certain ***ual orientation, I think it is getting better over there for Russians. Only problem has been recently with the attacks on their economy due to having taken Crimea. They do some bone headed moves, but so does the USA. I am in Iraq right now, a country I believe we had no business in the 2nd time around.
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My view on the Russians are that country is starting to look like they are getting better over there for their people, while the USA is getting worse. Well, unless you are of a certain ***ual orientation, I think it is getting better over there for Russians. Only problem has been recently with the attacks on their economy due to having taken Crimea. They do some bone headed moves, but so does the USA. I am in Iraq right now, a country I believe we had no business in the 2nd time around.
Even the thing about it being an uninhabitable place for LGBT people isn't entirely true. I did some research on it and while there is definitely an element of "turning a blind eye" and "you're in god's country" [kind of thing] the actual laws aren't specifically discriminatory towards LGBT people and the propaganda law is largely misunderstood and mis-communicated by Western media. Now, that doesn't mean that in the real world people don't get discriminated against, but that thing happens all over, particularly in employment where it's nigh on impossible to prove.

I know someone who lived in Russia for a while and when I asked him if it was a hostile place to be as a gay man he answered a resounding no, certainly in the cities and populated areas. It is a different story in some of the quieter areas, but the same can be said in many places. I'm sure there are rural "redneck" parts of the USA where I probably wouldn't be welcome and even here in liberal UK there are places I'd avoid -- there are parts of Glasgow I wouldn't be comfortable visiting alone (and you can forget it after dark) to name just one.
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Ah yes, I remember being taken to Larchy for the first time at 3AM ... that was a butt-clenching experience at first. Turns out I got on well with all the Neds... I was always in the rough areas of Glasgow (Grew up in Halfway, friends were all there or in Westburn, Castlemilk, Croftfoot, Easterhouse, Budhill, Tollcross, Shettleston etc, went to High School in Carntyne) though, so I probably feel more comfortable than most would. There's still a bunch of places I'd avoid in Glasgow that are just too mental.

But yes, you'll get that sort of hate anywhere you go unfortunately, assholes are assholes anywhere you go.
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Voted earlier. Really sad state of affairs with choices on this ballot. Since NJ is guaranteed to vote for Hillary, went with Jill Stein. She's not really my top choice either, but I disagree with fever of her stances, and let's face it, she doesn't have a prayer.

Really hope that people do actually vote 3rd party, for any of the other candidates, to show how unhappy they are with the current system.

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That really isn't the case, but is exactly what russian leadership would like it's own people, and other nations to believe.

Their media consists of non stop concerts, reruns, and basically reality tv shows.

Their news are just about state run, with many journalists having died during Putin's tenure.

The country itself is still in a deep recession, and has not recovered much since 2008. It was, and still is, highly dependent on oil and gas exports. Given the oil prices now, and for the near force-able future, that's not going to change.

Their manufacturing is in many ways worse off than US manufacturing even, due to proximity to china.

Speaking as someone who lived in the USSR for a while, and having relatives there now, life goes, on, but in a lot of ways, russia is far worse off now than it has been during the past 10 years. That is part of the reason for all the parades, and the sabre rattling.
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^That's what I also plan on doing IE, voting for 3rd party. Specifically Jill Stein! I do expect quite a few people to vote for 3rd party and hopefully show how upset the population is.

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Watching the final results coming in! This is going to be a tight race folks!

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Florida flipping back and forth quicker than I can keep track, it's CLOSE.

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This could be another really long one if it's as close as it seems to be. If the margin in florida ends up to be under 1 percent and it is the deciding state i bet there will be calls for re-counts and such. If would be interesting to see things hanging on a few thousands vote in one state again, and to see if the actual outcome matches the popular vote.
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Looks like the panhandle came through and locked up FL for Trump.

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Well, if he manages to win florida the rest of the results will at least still be interesting
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