**** the government - wake up people!?

john_lawson said:

Well guys he did it again he likes to rub people the wrong way to get a reaction
it worked he talks shit about usa and its government ,is it perfect no far from it
is it better than some yes and no i mean when i look at my bi-weekly check and it has

gross pay 2,697
total deductions 1,123

does it piss me off no its to keep this country going would i like to pay less hell yea
but just knowing some people are benifitting from me and hasn't contributed $hit pisses me off too, Wes get a job pay some bills life will get different hella fast believe me

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Well Said John well said

Hoax email. Not real. Ammo is always scarce when the Dems are running the Gov.

I will give my guns up when you can guarantee the bad guys wont have them either, and kids are safe from gangs and drive-buys.

Someone should add this to the "I want to laugh" thread

gotwake424 said:

Hey Wes don't tell anyone but i was the third gun man on the grassy knoll......................

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Was THAT you?!?

I thought you looked familiar.

Were you already in Sec 7 by then, or was that your initial?

Peace,
dave

The_Muffin_Man said:

Someone should add this to the "I want to laugh" thread

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This thread reminds me of the A-Team, I don't know why...

It reminds me of The B-Team



Peace,
dave

C team lol



Why are my pictures so small? Im using photo bucket...

Obligatory, this is D Team:




@Muffin: Maybe you're using the thumbnail link, you should copy the direct image address.

I wouldn't say f*** the government..


without a government we would be like Somalia. we do need them. the real problem is corruption in the government, compartmentalization, bribery, blackmail.. things like that. even down to the local mayors voting against public vote to save their own career. for the most part. the government has failed us.. when you live in the 21 century and the president gets elected simply of the promises of hope and change.. and all we see is more of the same old.. the government has failed us.. i mean, obama gave all the speeches about transparency and now he blocks the visitors list to the white house under national security? The white house is asking people to turn in fellow Americans who might be spreading "disinfo" about the health care plan.. sounds a little big brother to me. its makes me trip out when i see things on TV that are supposedly good for us, yet we shame other countries for doing them. (IE torture) and tattle tale squads. The government is making us look bad. didn't we used to say that's wrong to do?

we have been in iraq for what 8 years now.. for what.. WMD's LMMFAO. is there anyone out there who still believes that. bush and powell have been on interviews saying there wasnt, and it was "a mistake" & Ms. rice and her yellow cake from niger (pronounced: Nie jer). that was proven to be a fake. the white house even said somebody should have gone to prison over that.. but nobody even did because it would implicate others for more dirty work. so why are we in iraq.. well according to zbigniew brzezinski (founder of al' queda with the CIA in the 70's LOOK IT UP) (advising nearly every president for the last 30 or so years) we need permanent military bases on that hemisphere in the world so America can have complete hegemon over the world. & to complete the NWO. you can read this for yourself in his book called "The Grand Chessboard" So what are we doing in iraq ?

As for 9/11
i honestly belive that elements of the government blew it up with nasa grade nano thermite designed to break away rockets on the spaceships. there is a phisicist named steven jones who was canned for his views on 911. he has samples of these nanothermites that were not "cooked" yet. orange on one side black on the other. more info on his studys on that can be found here Scholars for 9/11 Truth & Justice

inside the towers were something like 47 steel columns 4 feet thick. that's just for the core that melted from jet fuel. so here is my problem with that story. you cant melt steel with jet fuel.. it can only be done in a blast furnace. you can cut it.. but cutting and melting are 2 entirely different stories. all 3 towers that fell on 9/11 fell in free fall speed. ( if you didn't know there were 3 that fell.... look it up) *WTC7 was not hit by a plane yet it fell strait down and turned into dust. when have we ever seen buildings turn into dust? well watch a controlled demolition.. looks like 9/11 buildings dont just fall like that. I have over 8000 pix of 911 in a lot of the photos you can see that steel was cut with some kind of explosive. will post pix for those who /r/ them.

I weld for a living.. so im always around architects and engineers. i have shown them pictrues and films. when i ask them what they think about 9/11. most of them say there is no way jet fuel could have done it, and say inside job. not everyone works around metal and steel.. but those who do see the obvious.

is it just me or does anyone else see that 100+ story buildings turning into dust while falling at free fall speed isn't right.. didn't they "collapse".. dust isn't enough to drop a building like that. Also what about the liquid steel flowing like a river moments before it his the ground in 9 seconds. we are talking about fire rated structural steel. i have never even been able to melt a nail.. just an average nail.. with just fire. even gasoline fires.

steel doesn't just melt. if you believe it does your batsh*t crazy and don't ever use your BBQ cuz it will melt and that's just metal. not steel

the government still wont show us the footage of a plane hitting the pentagon. they will show 6 stills from a security cam that has no plane. but that's national security so i understand.

do we really believe that desert dwellers from Afghanistan did it.. with no assistance from the US. its a bit hard for me to believe that. what about the "airlift of evil" somebody please explain that to me.. no wait.. that's just a conspiracy. the government would never fly members of the bin laden family out of the US days after 911. im sorry but there are way too many unanswered questions for me to just simply dismiss "conspiracy's".


As for the government
they have dig us so far into debt its just F***n crazy
officially we have "lost" 9 trillion dollars and the GOA wont say where is. we have given enough bailout money to pay all US debts 2 times over.. *houses, cars, loans... everything. but we still owe it all plus have to payback the bailout money with interest. Jobs are still being lost.

we no longer use the gold standard, yet the constitution says all money must be back by gold or silver. we don't even print the money. the private federal reserve does. on top of that they charge us interest to have our own currency. every dollar that is printed puts us farther into debt. on top of that the banks do a thing called fractional reserve banking that puts us farther into debt. we give money to rich bastards who take private jets to work, yet tax the poor to death. i don't get that. do we really need to pay taxes and interest on our own currency?

We do have problems.. but we do need some form of government.
it drives me nuts though when i hear people talk about "our democracy" America is not a democracy but a republic. dont forget that. like the pledge of allegiance *that isn't said in many schools anymore :thinking: "& to the republic for which it stands"

I love my country..I Love my birthrights. i wouldn't trade them for anything in the world.. and i would fight to the death for them. the ones who came before us went through hell and back for us to live in a free republic, for us to have the rights that not many on this planet have. Lets not forget what the stood and died for. im not going to just throw that away.


/rant off

Im using the code...

E team: [IMG]http://i608.photobucket.com/albums/tt170/The_Muffin_Man345/images-4.jpg

so I take it there is some trolling in this forum or is this just tinfoil hat stuff?

Wes, you're being a hippy again.

Horses are just machines built by Aliens that spy on us.

All phone calls go to George bush's super computer where he spends most of his day listening to them all .

The holocaust actually took place in Argentina

headphones give you cancer

Obama is an android built by the government.

I agree with SOME of the deleted parts, so I just kindof left those out. For instance, one of the things I dislike about our current gov'mnt is how Obama was done a 180 on his transparency stuff, one good example being the White House visitor lists.

GoRdOn_B said:

As for 9/11
i honestly belive that elements of the government blew it up with nasa grade nano thermite designed to break away rockets on the spaceships. there is a phisicist named steven jones who was canned for his views on 911. he has samples of these nanothermites that were not "cooked" yet. orange on one side black on the other. more info on his studys on that can be found here Scholars for 9/11 Truth & Justice

inside the towers were something like 47 steel columns 4 feet thick. that's just for the core that melted from jet fuel. so here is my problem with that story. you cant melt steel with jet fuel.. it can only be done in a blast furnace. you can cut it.. but cutting and melting are 2 entirely different stories. all 3 towers that fell on 9/11 fell in free fall speed. ( if you didn't know there were 3 that fell.... look it up) *WTC7 was not hit by a plane yet it fell strait down and turned into dust. when have we ever seen buildings turn into dust? well watch a controlled demolition.. looks like 9/11 buildings dont just fall like that. I have over 8000 pix of 911 in a lot of the photos you can see that steel was cut with some kind of explosive. will post pix for those who /r/ them.

I weld for a living.. so im always around architects and engineers. i have shown them pictrues and films. when i ask them what they think about 9/11. most of them say there is no way jet fuel could have done it, and say inside job. not everyone works around metal and steel.. but those who do see the obvious.

is it just me or does anyone else see that 100+ story buildings turning into dust while falling at free fall speed isn't right.. didn't they "collapse".. dust isn't enough to drop a building like that. Also what about the liquid steel flowing like a river moments before it his the ground in 9 seconds. we are talking about fire rated structural steel. i have never even been able to melt a nail.. just an average nail.. with just fire. even gasoline fires.

steel doesn't just melt. if you believe it does your batsh*t crazy and don't ever use your BBQ cuz it will melt and that's just metal. not steel

the government still wont show us the footage of a plane hitting the pentagon. they will show 6 stills from a security cam that has no plane. but that's national security so i understand.

do we really believe that desert dwellers from Afghanistan did it.. with no assistance from the US. its a bit hard for me to believe that. what about the "airlift of evil" somebody please explain that to me.. no wait.. that's just a conspiracy. the government would never fly members of the bin laden family out of the US days after 911. im sorry but there are way too many unanswered questions for me to just simply dismiss "conspiracy's".

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Just for my background, I have a degree that may as well be titled "how metal breaks". Literally entire semesters of classes on the physical properties, mostly the structural/mechanical/failure properties, of metals. Literally weeks of study of steel alone: atomic structure, microstructure, and their effects on macro properties of metal parts. No doubt, steel is both complicated and extremely important, so it is looked at heavily in materials science classes.

Now, that said, you're right, burning fuel wouldn't melt steel. But here's the kicker: YOU DON'T NEED TO MELT IT. Steel can easily lose a massive amount of it's strength without ever getting near its melting temperature. Look at a phase diagram for steel (attaching one, for your convenience). Steel's melting temperature is generally given as the top line, which is really high. But look lower in temperature, there are other phase transformations there! The steel can change it's atomic structure to a different structure without ever melting! And the new structure is VERY likely to not be as strong as the original alloy.

On top of atomic structure changing in a phase transformation, steel also has a very complicated microstructure that can be very easily changed at even lower temperatures than the atomic structures changes you see in the phase diagram. I would post a TTT diagram for a generic steel, but I doubt you would understand how to read it anyway. Suffice to say: Atomic structure changes at lower temperatures than melting temperature, and microstructure changes at even lower temperatures than that, and both atomic and microstructural changes weaken can easily weaken steel significantly.

And even if you don't change the microstructure OR the atomic structure of the steel, higher temperature changes the behavior of the steel. As steel deforms, it hardens and strengthens. The more you bend it, the harder it gets to bend it further (this matches most all metals, try it with a paperclip). But at high temperatures, that effect is lessened. It can easily be just as easy to bend the steel the second inch as it was to bend it the first inch, even if you haven't hit a phase transformation at higher temperature. This is the difference between hot-working and cold-working. And to hot-work a metal instead of cold-working it, you may only need to be at half of the melting temperature, or maybe not even that high.

So the moral of that story is that you DON'T need to melt steel to bring a building down, you just need to WEAKEN it, which is easy to do without ever getting anywhere near melting temperature.

Molten steel was running out of the building you say? How do you know it was steel? Why couldn't it have been molten aluminum running out of the building? Or molten any-other-metal-that-could-have-been-in-the-building?

On the topic of the buildings themselves, none of them fell straight down. There are no good viewing angles, but none of them fell perfectly into their own footprints, and ESPECIALLY not WTC7. It did fall over sideways, but you can't see it because of the perspective. And why did it fall when no plane hit it? Because a BUILDING FELL ON IT, and it burned for pretty much the entire day. Look at photos of other buildings around the site, there were giant gashes in a lot of them. There was also a giant gash in the back of WTC7 that wasn't visible from the available video angles.

The "free fall speed" thing is one that I just don't get...it fell, yeah, but you can't see the building for all the smoke and dust around it, so how the heck do you know how fast it fell? That one is just kind of silly to me. And even if it did fall fast, that makes sense too. That is a GIANT dynamic load, none of the steel in the building was ever designed to stand up to anything even on the same order of magnitude. Once it was falling, it was falling FAST, because such a load would require full orders or magnitude more strength in the building to even begin to slow it down.

pullbangdead said:

Just for my background, I have a degree that may as well be titled "how metal breaks". Literally entire semesters of classes on the physical properties, mostly the structural/mechanical/failure properties, of metals. Literally weeks of study of steel alone: atomic structure, microstructure, and their effects on macro properties of metal parts. No doubt, steel is both complicated and extremely important, so it is looked at heavily in materials science classes.

Now, that said, you're right, burning fuel wouldn't melt steel. But here's the kicker: YOU DON'T NEED TO MELT IT.

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Pearls before swine

Peace,
dave

What can I say, I'm a sucker... :banghead: