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im sure it was the same van in question.

i don't doubt that there were actual errors reported, but doesn't saying the media is spreading misinfo about the events of 9/11 make you a conspiracy theorist?

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Media isn't intentionally spreading misinfo, unless they're still broadcasting this stuff. And they're not. This stuff was ALL heat-of-the-moment, and then never broadcast again.

A ton of errors, but they just happened. The media isn't intentionally doing anything on a day like that day, except trying to report the news, which was pretty much impossible for them to get everything right that day.

ETA: I suppose "misinformation" may have some intentional connotation attached to it, but I didn't intend it that way. I merely meant unintentional misinformation.
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do you think a jumbo jet made this hole?
because the official story to this day is that one did.

where did the wings go in... where are the holes from the turbines.

we still have not seen the photos of a plane doing this damage.





why are these the only photos?
national security?
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There are a lot of people (regular people that you can talk to) that were there the day of 9/11. They saw a plane first hand. You should talk to one.


As far as that picture of the hole in the wall that GoRdOn_B posted, that is very strange.. which building is that?
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There are a lot of people (regular people that you can talk to) that were there the day of 9/11. They saw a plane first hand. You should talk to one.


As far as that picture of the hole in the wall that GoRdOn_B posted, that is very strange.. which building is that?
That is the Pentagon. its not 15mins away from a Air force base, but still a " plane " can hit the security headquarters undetected ? haha. this is funny now
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i have a co-worker that was there in NYC on 9/11.. we talk regularly about this. he has the same opinion as me. i also have a gaming friend that i talk with on teamspeak that still lives in nyc. He also holds these beliefs. please dont confuse me with wes. i dont run on old pasta about it was lasers and/or missiles from space blah blah.

i watched the planes smash just like everybody else. i just dont believe that makes skyscrapers turn into dust.


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As far as that picture of the hole in the wall that GoRdOn_B posted, that is very strange.. which building is that?
That's a far interior wall in the Pentagon, like the furthest in that any debris reached into the building. IIRC, that was on like the 3rd ring? There are 5 rings total. Some big, heavy, indestructible part of the plane made that hole, while the rest of the plane didn't make it that far.
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There are only 5,244 pics in there, sir. You still owe me at least 2756 more
well there were that many, but i accidentally the rest of them



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That's a far interior wall in the Pentagon, like the furthest in that any debris reached into the building. IIRC, that was on like the 3rd ring? There are 5 rings total. Some big, heavy, indestructible part of the plane made that hole, while the rest of the plane didn't make it that far.
It could not of been a plane ! Did you see a plane ? Nooo.
Either a missle or a Bomb was to blame for this damage.



That hole looks more like something this thing would do
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They put a hollow charge to blast the entry hole and a "depleted" uranium charge to explode inside the target.
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Wheres the damage next to the hole ? If a Jet wing can go through steel and not, why cant this " jet " go through Concrete at least ?????
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What is up with this shadow ? Since when do they look like this


Why also does the picture say " sep 12 " when we all know something hit the pentagon on the 11th ?
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I complited a more accurate and detailed analysis of the pics. My estimate was that the tail of the plane was 465 feet from the impact point. further examination it appears it could have been closer to 450' from the impact point, based on the following photo analysis.

The Pentagon measures 921.6 feet along each external face, half of this distance, marked on the diagram between the central corridor and the upper-left corner of the Pentagon (cyan) is 460.8' Take this base measurement as a scale and measure the distance from the rear of the plane in the photo (red dot), along the approximate path of the jet (dark-green line) to the impact point. The distance the tail traveled between frames (heavy red line) is approx. 450', which is just short of the originally estimated 465' or 3 lengths of a 757, which is 155'.

So, 450 feet traveled in 1/30th of a second = 13500 feet/sec. = 2.55 miles/sec. = 153.4 miles/min. = 9204.54 mph = 7997 kts. = Mach 12.11

Even if you alter the path of the jet to a direct (90 degree) impact trajectory, (which introduces other unexplainable issues such as intact light-posts and trees, clearing the embankment, not to mention those anomalous hydro spools) you still end up with a final velocity exceeding Mach 6!
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They put a hollow charge to blast the entry hole and a "depleted" uranium charge to explode inside the target.
WTF are you talking about? A depleted uranium charge to "explode"??!? Depleted uranium doesn't explode!!! Whoever the heck you got that from was an IDIOT. In no way does depleted uranium explode. With a giant, gaping mistake like that one, it throws the rest of your observations all into "these came from an idiot as well" territory, as well.

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Originally Posted by wesdaman14 View Post

Wheres the damage next to the hole ? If a Jet wing can go through steel and not, why cant this " jet " go through Concrete at least ?????
This photo is of a hole in the c-ring of the building, not the external wall. Look it up.

And your own, personal photoshop analysis? Well, color me unimpressed. You made pretty line, and measured things with a tiny, graint image where you could get ZERO real details in. Oh, and your analysis has been done by real experts on the subjects dozens, if not hundreds, of times. Show the real analysis by experts, and show me where their wrong.

"The hole is the wrong shape" has been debunked hundreds of times, and real computer physics simulations have shown that the damage is explained PERFECTLY by an airplane. Remember this is an ENTIRELY different kind of building. It has many support columns scattered throughout, and it is steel-reinforced concrete. The WTC buildings were steel ONLY, and were that "tube in a tube" design. Completely different, and people who are actual experts in both types of buildings have many, many times confirmed the results of that day, and confirmed that it made perfect sense.

But I do love that not only are you more of an expert in structural engineering than actual structural engineers, you're also more of an expert in photo analysis than real photo analysts, and more of an expert in weapons than anyone in the entire Air Force (you should really let them know that depleted uranium can explode, because they've apparently been using it wrong for decades).

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