George Zimmerman Innocent

This will be an interesting thread!

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/13/george-zimmerman-found-not-guilty/2514163/

My opinion they got it right.

In my opinion Zimmerman never should have been charged in the first place.

...and he wasn't. At least not by the cops who were first on the scene. The people best qualified to choose whether to charge a person or not.

The decision to charge him, was purely political in nature.

It is my sincere hope that those that pushed for the charges, and fanned the flames of hatred, find their careers tank as a result. It would be a small measure of justice.

The judge was biased. The prosecution... terrible.

Introducing manslaughter as an option, and having the judge approve it, but not murder 3, pathetic.

Despite all that, the jury got it right.

To me, what's really shocking, is it was never about race, but the media tried hard, very hard, to portray it as such. If there are any consequences, riots, deaths, as a result, the blame rests solely with the rioters, and the media outlets that pushed for intolerance, racism, and hatred.

I'd say both were guilty. I never would have shot soembody that didn't have a weapon of some sort unless I felt they were going to kick my *** with their hands and feet. Doing so is overkill IMO. Even then, there should be no need to use more force than necessary. A shot to the leg or arm would've been more than enough.

Infinitus Agree with you 100%

what is going to be interesting is when a white person with a CC permit kills a black person during their rioting....

Dr.Evil I kind of agree about not shooting someone that didn't have a gun but if GZ's story is correct then TM was grabbing for his. I don't think he was just going to disarm him and throw it away do you?

Treyvon didn't have a gun or knife from what I've heard. Or are you saying he was going for George's gun? If that is the case, how did he know George had one?

Here in Florida, we have the stand your ground law. No one is in the right to force you to withdraw your personal space with the intent to harm you. You are allowed to use whatever means necessary to be secure in your area, person, or property. If during a confrontation the aggressor tried to flee you must let him. But, if you tell them to get away and they continue towards you, you are in every right to protect yourself. Infringing on someones personal bubble is a felony. When you have a CWP, you can draw on anyone who you feel is endangering your life. This can be a bar fight that makes it outside, or a robbery... You are taught during your concealed weapon permit class, to never womb, but use lethal force. If you just "wing" someone, you have admitted that your life was not in danger and that you should not have drawn your weapon. I believe a 17 year old thug wanna be, that talks about borrowing a gun again to pull licks and selling weed, should not be out after curfew picking a fight with a grown man. He was the neighbor hood watch and was in his right to challenge a suspicious person, as any civilian is... The moment Z was attacked he had the right to use deadly force. Treyvonn was a known problem in the area and should have ran away when he was challenged... He under no reason should have been close enough to Z for a confrontation, nor picked a fight with an adult. I call this bad parenting...
-Shane

I am glad they found him innocent...but a coworker raised a good point and that is: What if this coverage is so huge and covers all the media outlets because something bad happened in the world that the government/media/someone doesn't want the american people to hear about?

» Federal Government Plans to Persecute Zimmerman Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

our government is a f'ing joke if this happens

Dr.evil he was going for george's gun go to 12:20

he is not guilty but he is not free, and what i mean by that is even if he was 100% innocent his life is still changed, people who thought he was guilty will still think so, people may even go after him,

he may get fired, shunned, threatened ect, hopefully he can get on with his life

stupid situation

this is why if i ever become one of these watchmen i am wearing a camera

The media is trying to jump start the racial war again. At my work the majority of people are black and I wouldn't consider myself racist. With everything going on though its getting to the point that I am actually preparing incase SHTF.

With people saying stuff like this it will only take a couple idiots to spark something.

If they don't kill Zimmerman Ima kill me a cracka—
ザック·スレーターエクストラオーディナリ (@ZackSlaterExe) June 26, 2013


This Zimmerman shit so AGGY just lock his ass up cause if they don't imma kill a white person and they better let me go—
his main bishhhhh ❤✌ (@carlise_) June 27, 2013


If #Zimmerman get off ima shoot the first #hispanic/white i see—
Vonni Versace (@Dat_Nigga_Vonni) June 27, 2013


If Zimmerman get off, Ima go kill a white boy and use the same story he did…—
FuckYourFeelings.Com (@BihhImaBadAhh) June 27, 2013


Watching the Zimmerman Trial. If he don't get life ill kill him myself—
Love (@ItaliannDoll) June 26, 2013


If #zimmerman get off ima kill him myself since no one wanna take care of his Mexican burrito eatin ass—
PWOODS #C3E #LAD (@ImdatniggaPWood) June 26, 2013

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mhemling33 said:

» Federal Government Plans to Persecute Zimmerman Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

our government is a f'ing joke if this happens

Dr.evil he was going for george's gun go to 12:20

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I think they were just talking about appeals, and maybe Alex Jones doesn't understand the court system.

Trevor

Dr_Evil said:

I'd say both were guilty. I never would have shot soembody that didn't have a weapon of some sort unless I felt they were going to kick my *** with their hands and feet. Doing so is overkill IMO. Even then, there should be no need to use more force than necessary. A shot to the leg or arm would've been more than enough.

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Dr_Evil said:

Treyvon didn't have a gun or knife from what I've heard. Or are you saying he was going for George's gun? If that is the case, how did he know George had one?

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You're speculating after the fact, not in the moment, while reacting on adrenaline. When you say "I never would have shot somebody that didn't have a weapon of some sort..." You were never in that position, or apparently in a position of having been jumped.

A person does need to have a weapon in order to be lethal.

If you perceive yourself to be in mortal danger you defend yourself by any means possible.

Further, if you draw a gun, YOU SHOOT TO KILL.

The only place where people shoot to wing, is in the movies. In real life, you shoot to kill. End of story. Ask any cop, ask any soldier.

Because he was on top of the guy, pounding away, and could either see it, feel it, or both.

wannaburnstuff said:

I am glad they found him innocent...but a coworker raised a good point and that is: What if this coverage is so huge and covers all the media outlets because something bad happened in the world that the government/media/someone doesn't want the american people to hear about?

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Wouldn't be surprised at all. I'm more inclined to believe news from very small outlets, of crowdsourced, rather that main media channels.

mhemling33 said:

» Federal Government Plans to Persecute Zimmerman Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

our government is a f'ing joke if this happens

Dr.evil he was going for george's gun go to 12:20

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It is happening, and yes it is.

firelaser said:

he is not guilty but he is not free, and what i mean by that is even if he was 100% innocent his life is still changed, people who thought he was guilty will still think so, people may even go after him,

he may get fired, shunned, threatened ect, hopefully he can get on with his life

stupid situation

this is why if i ever become one of these watchmen i am wearing a camera

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Personally I 100% agree. IMO anything law enforcement related should be filmed 100% of the time.

The technology certainly exists, specifically for LEOs, but there are tons of options for civilians as well.

Unfortunately the flip side of this is that LEOs themselves hate to be recorded.

IMO, this should be required for every single cop out there: TASER AXON Flex On Officer Video | Police Video Camera

Failure to film, should be an extremely high offense to LEOs.

mhemling33 said:

The media is trying to jump start the racial war again.

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That's what it looks like to me. Unfortunately the lowest common denominator seems to be swallowing it up.

Trevor said:

I think they were just talking about appeals, and maybe Alex Jones doesn't understand the court system.

Trevor

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No, unfortunately he is quite right.

You can be found not guilty of criminal charges but still be pursued in civil court.

Look at the OJ Simpson case for example.

InfinitusEquitas said:

No, unfortunately he is quite right.

You can be found not guilty of criminal charges but still be pursued in civil court.

Look at the OJ Simpson case for example.

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A civil suit brought by the family would not come from the federal government.

The "Info" Wars article describes further action by the federal government... which, come to think of if, would be double jeopardy and can't happen.

EDIT: Oh, Jesus Christ. In the video on "Info" Wars is talking about "healing a racial wound," and Obama dealing with that, not pursuing further criminal prosecution. Alex Jones is such a fraud.

Trevor

Trevor said:

A civil suit brought by the family would not come from the federal government.

The "Info" Wars article describes further action by the federal government... which, come to think of if, would be double jeopardy and can't happen.

Trevor

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The Federal government is quite capable of bringing their own suit against Zimmerman.

That does not preclude the family also filing one.

Double jeopardy only comes into play with regards to the original charges made murder 2, manslaughter, and lesser charges underneath the umbrella of those two charges.

Zimmerman could still be charged with both in criminal court, and civil court.

Criminal charges are not likely simply because any prosecutor realize they can't meet the burden of proof of "beyond a reasonable doubt".

Civil court, only has a much lower requirement for a guilty verdict, so that is where charges will be pursued.

IE, see my edit. Harry Reid was referring to a question about 'healing a racial wound.' The video was cut to mislead readers.

I'm not sure what Reid was referencing with regards to the DOJ, but the whole video needs to be available to make the call on that.

Until proven otherwise Reid was NOT talking about the Fed pursuing further charges, as Jones is trying to convince his "Info" Wars "readers."

EDIT: Full video - http://www.nbcnews.com/video/meet-the-press/52472712

So, it appears that Reid is saying he supports the verdict and the system that led to it, but believes that the laws that led to that situation should be looked at.

Classic Alex Jones. Such a crock of shit.

Trevor

Alex Jones/Infowars should be taken with a huge grain of salt as well.

Still I do give credit to that website for writing stories that other outlets refuse to.

With regards to what Reid was saying...

Holder faces big decision on DOJ charges against Zimmerman - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room