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Default ideas needed for 50-100W medical laser

hi all
I have been battling leishmaniasis (skin eating microscopic parasites) now for 7 years and have tried the best drugs to no avail. Time to pull out the big gun (ie: laser). I just found out lasers have been used successfully against these infections. Iīd like to make my own and show others how to do the same. This disease is now starting to show up in the USA due to global warming. Look at these research papers and tell me how you would proceed. I am an electronics technician from the USA living in South America. thanks

Evaluation of CO laser efficacy in the treatment of cutaneous leishmaniasis
Evaluation of CO laser efficacy in the treatm... [Int J Dermatol. 2004] - PubMed - NCBI
(Compared to the drug Glucantime it was more effective with less side effects)
(100W Sonic 500 laser was used)

Treatment of Cutaneous Leishmaniasis Using a Carbon Dioxide Laser
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...00046-0111.pdf
Soviet medical carbon dioxide lasers ("Scalpel-i" and "Romashka-1") operating in the continuous mode at A = 10.6 ,um and powers of up to 40 W and 100 W, respectively, were used.
Finally, the defocused laser beam is directed at the wound (laser surface power density: 200-400 W/cm2) until the entire wound surface becomes covered with a thin light-brown film. This serves as a barrier that prevents bacterial infection.

Efficacy of CO(2) laser for treatment of anthroponotic cutaneous leishmaniasis, compared with combination of cryotherapy and intralesional meglumine antimoniate.
Efficacy of CO(2) laser for tre... [J Eur Acad Dermatol Venereol. 2011] - PubMed - NCBI
CONCLUSIONS: The CO(2) laser was more effective in treating dry-type cutaneous leishmaniasis than combined cryotherapy and intralesional glucantime and resulted in a shorter healing time (6 weeks vs. 12 weeks) with a single treatment session.

Carbon dioxide laser for the treatment of lupoid cutaneous leishmaniasis (LCL): A case series of 24 patients
Carbon dioxide laser for the treatment of lupoid cutaneous leishmaniasis (LCL): A case series of 24 patients [eScholarship]
Treatment was performed using a CO2 laser (Lasersonic LS500 machine). The maximum power was 100 Watts and the pulse width was 0.5-5 seconds.


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Don't ever try doing laser therapy on yourself. Find a professional to do it.
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Not only that but you need a 100W CO2 laser, capable of EXTREME burning. this is far to dangerous to do without medical experience and you shold not begin to consider doing this yourself until you get a medical degree. to put this in perspective for you, you need a laser 20,000-40,000 times more powerful than a cheap red pointer. a lot of people on this forum are probably even scared to mess with a CO2 laser of this power, much less defocus it and aim it at your own body. DO NOT DO THIS. GO TO A DOCTOR WHO CAN.
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Man this is the second thread about self administered laser therapy. I know that your looking for anything that might help you right now. But this is very risky to say the least. Not to mention the level of experience to just make one of these lasers isn't exactly found In the laser for dummies book.
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Just the second? those are monthly my friend. Nobody seems to realize what a terrible idea it is

Common thought is
"Oh doctors can do it so I can"

No, you can't. You need special equipment and specialized training. You'll just make it worse.

It's like trying to build your own atomic bomb in the back yard with some iron, LEDs and uranium marbles.
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I don't know if you know this, but even I don't have a CO2. One of the coolest gas lasers, and it doesn't have a home in my dorm.

Why? Simply put, these are monstrously dangerous when used improperly. There's a reason people use cinder blocks for beam *****, because it will incinerate any other carbon based material it touches. Whether that's your wooden wall, or your bony hand, poof.

Do. Not. Do. This.

If you want these procedures done to you, go and get them done. You wouldn't perform ocular surgery on yourself, however the lasers that would are about 1/200th the power of the one you are planning to happily incinerate your flesh with.

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Wow, lots of people freaking out. Gotta love the mindset of the forum.
Slippery slopes for everyone..

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Look at these research papers and tell me how you would proceed. I am an electronics technician from the USA living in South America. thanks
Why don't you start with how you would personally proceed?
It's obvious that you're unfortunately at wit's end and beginning to proceed to more drastic measures. I don't believe there are many(if any) people here with the knowledge of this sort of procedure. Find a cosmetic surgeon who's familiar with laser treatments, and ask them for advice. This isn't really a procedure that has plenty of documentation.

Also, this is going to hurt. A lot.
You're going to need someone you trust to help.
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I don't know if you know this, but even I don't have a CO2. One of the coolest gas lasers, and it doesn't have a home in my dorm.

Why? Simply put, these are monstrously dangerous when used improperly. There's a reason people use cinder blocks for beam *****, because it will incinerate any other carbon based material it touches. Whether that's your wooden wall, or your bony hand, poof.

Do. Not. Do. This.

If you want these procedures done to you, go and get them done. You wouldn't perform ocular surgery on yourself, however the lasers that would are about 1/200th the power of the one you are planning to happily incinerate your flesh with.

You can take away, you cannot put back.

yes, please, PLEASE heed the last thing bloom said.

You can take away, you cannot put back.

jaguar, i understand that you are desperate to get rid of these things, these little parasites- i would be too, and i truly feel sorry for you. but if you want laser treatment, please oh please just go to a doctor that specializes in doing it!

i have a feeling you don't understand how dangerous a laser of that immense power would be. I could completely blind myself with my 1 watt handheld laser before i could blink-that's why i wear safety goggles. but 100 times more powerful than that...I'm not sure if glasses exist that will protect your eyes from that kind of power, not to mention the rest of you. You could have whatever part of your body touched by the laser totally destroyed/incinerated before your brain could tell you to move.


again, please let me repeat again what bloompyle said.

You can take away, you cannot put back.


please, go see a specialist!! I honestly hope you can get your leishmaniasis treated successfully- it sounds like an awful thing to have to live with.

stay safe, and good luck.
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OK, for 1 there are no doctors doing this kind of therapy for people suffering with leishmaniasis. It is DIY or nothing.

I realize now that the wattage I was asking for is that which can burn skin, which I donīt want. The research was on leishmaniasis sores that are "exposed". I have a non-typical kind of "diffuse" leishmaniasis and much of it slowly grows under the skin till it works its way up and finally turns the skin over it into a red mush.
Rethinking everything what I would like is a low power wide beam red or infra-red laser that can cause slow heating of the tissue. These parasites are very sensitive to temperature extremes. I was living up in the mountains for 3 years where the average daytime temp was 60F and the disease was very mild. Then I moved to the coast and it just got worse and worse.
The last two days I have experimented on myself with dripping candle wax onto the infected area. It seems to be working. But of course it hurts a lot. If there was a way to heat the tissue with red light and be able to slowly turn the intensity up so it wouldnīt be all at once painful then that may be a good way to do it. Any ideas on how to do this?
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If there are no professionals offering this, given the information you posted, that means the form of treatment isn't developed well enough yet. If professionals aren't doing this for that reason, no way in hell should any person on the streets give it a try.

I'm sorry to tell you this, I really am, but look for a different method. Nothing good will come from this experiment.
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I'm sorry but I am not asking anyone for permission or for their opinion on what I am wanting. I am only asking for technical assistance. Maybe what I want isn't even a laser, just a red light source strong enough to heat the skin almost to the point of slight burning.
What is sad is that leishmaniasis is one of the most common diseases in the world but has received little attention because mostly poor countries have it. But global warming is changing all that and will more and more be affecting 1st world countries.
Also it is becoming drug resistant and so a non-drug approach has to be developed.
So I ask all you naysayers this question; If you were slowly becoming disfigured as millions of parasites painfully eat away your skin, would you have the patience to wait another decade for the medical system to get off its money-making ass to get something done in this most needed area? I guarantee you that you wouldn't. You'd be trying this and that and making up your own treatment in hope you can get lucky and be delivered from this curse.
So if you know anything about low power lasers that can heat skin without burning it then please let me know. otherwise all negative progress-halting opinions should be kept to the closed minds that spawned them. thanks
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I'm sorry but I am not asking anyone for permission or for their opinion on what I am wanting. I am only asking for technical assistance. Maybe what I want isn't even a laser, just a red light source strong enough to heat the skin almost to the point of slight burning.
What is sad is that leishmaniasis is one of the most common diseases in the world but has received little attention because mostly poor countries have it. But global warming is changing all that and will more and more be affecting 1st world countries.
Also it is becoming drug resistant and so a non-drug approach has to be developed.
So I ask all you naysayers this question; If you were slowly becoming disfigured as millions of parasites painfully eat away your skin, would you have the patience to wait another decade for the medical system to get off its money-making ass to get something done in this most needed area? I guarantee you that you wouldn't. You'd be trying this and that and making up your own treatment in hope you can get lucky and be delivered from this curse.
So if you know anything about low power lasers that can heat skin without burning it then please let me know. otherwise all negative progress-halting opinions should be kept to the closed minds that spawned them. thanks

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look for one of those hair removers that uses a flashlamp. these just heat up anything dark like hair folicles... a much safer thing to try. look for them on ebay.. tge worst that can happen is you will be smooth skinned
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there are no doctors doing this kind of therapy for people suffering with leishmaniasis.
And why do you suppose that is?
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And why do you suppose that is?
its a disease for stupid people

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