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MS-V4 PL520 Build Thread!!!
Birthday: 5/16/2013

Hello everyone, today I am pleased to announce that my newest build, named Loki, has
been completed! This was possibly the most difficult build I have ever attempted, and
I wil cover the reasons for this below. But first, let me give you a run down of the parts used
and what sources I used to obtain the parts used.

Parts List:
1 x MS-V4 Host from Sinner: 35 USD
1 x PL520 Direct Green Diode from DTR: 145 USD
1 x Microboost Driver preset to 300mA from Flaminpyro: 30 USD
Total Build Cost: 210 USD

I also purchased Arctic Alumina Thermal Adhesive but ended up not using it due to some
wire length misestimations(I'll cover that later).

I have been planning this build since mid-March, and have had the diode sitting on my desk
since April 11th. Having finally gotten the host in, I knew it was time to put this wonderful
new piece of technology together.

The Process:

As I mentioned earlier, this was a very difficult build for me for a number of reasons. First, I do not
trust my helping hands to hold anything that weighs anywhere at or above the weight of a
C6 Heatsink...so all of this had to be done very carefully with my two hands. One to hold the
driver and the wire together, and one to apply the Iron. Second, this host is a Press Fit head. This is great for thermal transfer, but
it is exceedingly difficult to get the Copper Module into the hole and pressfit it all the way down.
I was literally pounding my vice with a hammer for over 30 minutes working it down millimeter by
precious millimeter. Third, the space one has to work with in this build are very small.
Ideally the microboost would have been mounted on the diode pins, but as I was unsure of what
I would need to do I ordered the Diode pressfit with leads. The LAST thing I wanted to
do was damage the 150 dollar diode with a slightly too long Iron touch.

First, I began by pressing the copper module into the head. After A LOT of time spent putting
all the force I could into my vice, I finally managed it. Here is a picture of the complete module:



The next step, of course, was to trim the wires and solder the connections of the microboost.
After reading the manuals for the driver AND the diode, and googling what anode and cathode
were(I can't seem to remember which is which EVER), I was certain that I wasn't going to run
into any problems with the setup I was going for.

So here is a picture of the completed module with the microboost soldered on.
NOTE: I trimmed the wires based on my guestimation of what length would keep everything small
while allowing for flexibility. My guestimations were a bit off and the driver doesn't really want to
sit down on the metal plate. For a high current build this could be problematic, but this
build runs so cool I am not worried.



Since I could not get the driver to sit down, I resorted to wrapping some electrical tape around
the assembly to make sure there were no shorts(a problem I have had with one or two builds in
the past - grrr). This worked well enough at first, but electrical tape just doesn't stick as well
as I would like and it allowed the driver to get caught on threads when removing the head
to work on it. For this reason I later changed to regular old scotch tape. Keeps the bits separate,
but sticks a whole lot better.



And with tape instead of electrical tape:



Last real step was to thread the little head module in and see if it worked. There a couple initial issues,
not the least of which was that none of my batteries had charge. Other problems were that
the contact point wasn't getting contact with the battery so I added a little one coil length of spring
to simply take up some more space and grab that contact point.

Completed Build Pictures:

Okay, everybody wants eye candy so I will give you some! I will start with pictures of the host
and then move on to pictures of the completed laser in action and then some comparative shots
between it and my 532nm laser. It is noteworthy that this is NOT the focus adapter that came
with the host. Sinner sent a conical focus adapter with the host that is nice(once you manage to pressfit the aixiz ring into it)
but I did not feel it fit the personality of this build, so I have utilized a thin circle type focus adapter
and I think it works splendidly with the host.



































But How Powerful Is It?

Answer being: Not very. Below are two LPM pictures. The first one is with 3 Element Glass Lens
and the second is with a G2 LFL Lens. I do much prefer the 3 Element on this build, and to be specific
I am referring to the 445nm 3 Element Glass. The 650nm 3 Element Glass does well but I see
about 5mW loss in comparison to the 445nm coated lens. Peaks were 80mW and 104mW for 445nm
3-Ele and G2 LFL respectively.







Thank You for Reading!

I want to thank everyone who took the time to read this build thread. I really enjoyed building my
first direct green diode, and it rocks the socks off of DPSS green lasers in terms of color in my opinion.

I am now the proud owner of EIGHT different wavelengths, and I am loving it! I am about to snap
a pic of all my different wavelengths side by side, and I will post it when I get it taken.

Thanks,
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Pressing the module in there is actually pretty easy if you do it while heatsink is screwed on the host, You'll need a stronger/bigger vice or C-Clamp (provided that its aligned perfectly from both anvils) for direct press h/s.. From my experience its worth the 30 min spent while building.. (Usually takes me 3-4 minutes , and getting better on it)

P.S: Awesome build btw, I really hate when the G2's extend a whole centimeter away from the host!
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Great job there Isaac! I really love that colour, I think Im going to have to save for one of those diodes... So do you think you got one of the lower wavelength diodes? + 1 and

Edit: Cheers for the tip sinner, but wont that mean we'd need a huge vice?

@ Isaac which copper module were you using, a recent one from Moh or one from AnthoT's GB? Just wondering, as I believe the AnthoT ones are slightly thinner in diameter.
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Awesome build, your photos really show the difference between 520nm and 532nm. I really want to get a 520nm laser soon, thinking of getting the 30mW from HERE eventually.
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I was using the V4 Copper Heatsinks that DTR sells. I purchased the diode prepressed with leads so I didn't have to worry about also sourcing a module.

As for the wavelength question, I have no idea how I would figure it out unfortunately....I guess I could plug in the wavelengths into a Hex calculator which also displays color and guess, but that would be woefully innaccurate.
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Thanks Ive got the AnthoT modules so they will probably be a bit easier to get in. I just hope theyre not too loose...

If you were curious maybe you could send it to ARGlaser, though be warned I hear he's got a bit of a reputation as a 520 diode killer!
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Awesome build, Isaac! +1 for your efforts!

By my count, this now makes 3 of Sinners MS hosts that have become home to the PL520!

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Good on this Isaac!!! Sweet looking host, and great write up +1.

I could suggest to use 2 way tape to hold that driver down it is pretty good stuff and will tidy up that driver storage area.



They have the 3M brand 2 way tape that is thermal transfer tape, a little pricey, but with this build you want to do whatever it takes to complement that diode and host.

Please do not just build this and sell it... to orphan such a build would be tragic.
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Thank you all for the kind words also if anyone can recommend a vice that isn't too expensive, I need a good quality one to ensure the success of my second MS-V4 build.

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nice job isaac. keep up the good work!
you do a fine job with the pics too, it's easy to tell the wl's apart.
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Thank you all for the kind words also if anyone can recommend a vice that isn't too expensive, I need a good quality one to ensure the success of my second MS-V4 build.

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Hi, I don't know the exact need for a vise, but THIS is the one I got and it is very well built.
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For pressfit, if it doesn't go, it is a good idea to heat the heatsink and/or cool the diode/module. It may very well make things much easier.
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