new warning on dx about laser shipping..

mikeeey said:

we should introduce the idea to DX of "5mW stickers" for the more higher powered lasers.

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It's not FDA required to even indicate the power rating right? So why put any-mW? Not that these lasers are FDA certified anyway, but to my knowledge all it needs is the class indicator like llb and that should suffice since it isn't necessarily providing false information :-/

Well that isn't good, now the value of all of the DX lasers floating around will go up. Luckily I ordered a dilda with DX points before this new rule. But now I don't know how to spend my other DX points without lasery goodness, I may just have to ask for cash instead.

For Canadian members, you guys could make a couple bucks being DX distributors to the US... :


(copied from another thread discussing this...)

styropyro said:

For Canadian members, you guys could make a couple bucks being DX distributors to the US... :

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indeed. I would be willing to pay $5 on top of the cost of item + shipping from Canada to US (which is like $4) for someone to do it.. i'm sure many others would as well. it would be worth it just to have the laser packaged in a different than DX package.

so i went and tried to checkout and it wont even let you (you have to chose us or other country) if you chose us it says you must first remove the laser above 5mw from your cart.

i still wonder if you chose other country and check out and use your normal address if that will work

can't canadian do a dropship?

i think PayPal only lets you change the shipping address to one in your own country... so it wouldn't work. you can try tho

Kenom said:

so somebody should recommend to DX that they should use a different service for receiving payments.  I mean for crying out loud they probably do millions of dollars worth of business.  Why hand that money over to paypal to slice a chunk off of?  It would be phenomenally easy for them to get some kind of credit card processing service that's tons cheaper than paypal.

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Interact Online has been suggested. Someone else ask them to accept GOOGLE Checkout =D Google will save yah!

I don't think the lasers on DX that claim FDA approval actually have taken the time to file with the FDA to get the approval. It's a lot of work to make sure your lasers have the required safety features to be approved by the FDA. Not to mention it doesn't have all of them anyway. There's a 5 second delay that needs to be implemented to I believe. This is a paypal thing not a DX thing. Paypal has essentially told them that they WILL NOT accept payments for lasers into the US anymore. Since paypal is acting as the money handler, they assume part of the reponsibility by processing the payment as ok. Its' like willingly accepting money from a drug user to give to a drug pusher. You know what it's for and about so you are guilty by association. Paypal could end up having some very serious legal actions taken against them for doing so.

Here is the applicable customs law:

Electronic Products
23. Radiation- and Sonic Radiation-Producing Products. The following products are
subject to the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, Chapter V, Subchapter C—

Electronic Product Radiation (formerly called the Radiation Control Health and
Safety Act of 1968):
• Television products that incorporate a cathode-ray tube,
• Cold-cathode gas-discharge tubes,
• Microwave ovens,
• Cabinet and diagnostic x-ray equipment,
• Laser products,
• Ultrasound physical therapy equipment,
• Sunlamps,
• CD–ROMs,
• Cellular and cordless telephones,
• Other electronic products for which there are radiation-performance
standards.
An electronic product: (a) for which there is a radiation performance standard,
and (b) that is imported for sale or use in the United States may only be imported if a
declaration (Form FDA 2877) is filed with each importer’s entry. Form FDA 2877 is
available from the Food and Drug Administration, Center for Devices and
Radiological Health, Rockville, MD 20850.
The declaration must describe the product’s compliance status. The importer must
affirm that the product was:
• Not subject to a standard (e.g., manufactured prior to the effective date of
the applicable federal standard); or
• Complies with the standard and has a label affixed by the manufacturer
certifying compliance; or
• Does not comply with the standard but is being imported only for
purposes of research, investigation, study, demonstration, or training; or
• Does not now comply with the standard, but will be brought into
compliance.
The provisions of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, Chapter V,
Subchapter C—Electronic Product Radiation—apply to electronic products
manufactured in the United States as well as to imported products.

This has always been the law. You should consider yourselves lucky you could get them at all. Of course getting them was a violation of federal law but that never slowed anyone down. I will laugh at the first person to be made an example of when they are charged with smuggling and conspiracy. I sure wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of 10 years in federal prison and a $250,000 fine.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the FDA is on the warpath and someone will pay the price. It looks like the screws have been turned with PayPal. That will send a shiver down the accounting ledgers of all transaction brokers. Now if they make an example of an individual they can show they are serious about enforcing the law. Who wants to step up?

I can't believe some of you are openly discussing violating customs law on a forum. Some people's frickin' kids! Shut up about how you can circumvent the law because if you get popped they will use all of this against you to prove conspiracy which is the more serious of the offenses.

Can you still get 2877'd lasers? YES.

DX should use google and paypal, like on a 30mw laser page say if you want to purchase use google

google checkout doesn't work outside of the US

i bought stuff from us and i'm in canada

jamilm9 said:

i bought stuff from us and i'm in canada

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oh, maybe it's north america then or something

it works in many countries, but in some countries it does not. paypal is the same way, just supported in a lot more places.

This also appears to include Labbies which were considered as component parts for scanners and displays.
I guess the FDA has cleaned up all the food, pet food and pharmacuticals in the USA. That's good because I'm tired of reports of bad food and prescriptions killing people here. Last food scare was tomatos -- or was it peppers --- maybe leatuce -- oh crap tons of hamburger. Nothing to worry about now -- The FDA has our food CLEAN. Pet food too -- just "ask your doctor".

Mike

Hemlock Mike said:

This also appears to include Labbies which were considered as component parts for scanners and displays.
I guess the FDA has cleaned up all the food, pet food and pharmacuticals in the USA.    That's good because I'm tired of reports of bad food and prescriptions killing people here.  Last food scare was tomatos -- or was it peppers --- maybe leatuce -- oh crap tons of hamburger.  Nothing to worry about now -- The FDA has our food CLEAN.  Pet food too -- just "ask your doctor".  

Mike

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Who knows, with some luck the US government may even stop allowing pharmaceutical and insurance companies from ripping off and denying the people in need. If they took care of their own, there wouldnt be a need for certain black market goods.  :-X