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FYI - Local TV news - man BUSTED shining green laser at aircraft...

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...MULTIPLE times!:yabbmad:

I decided to post this thread in General because I figured it might get the most views here; mods feel free to move it if/as needed. This happened in the same town where I live. I do not know this individual. This kind of idiotic behavior by laser owners is only going to add to the legislative burden on our hobby. Bolded text mine, for emphasis:

http://www.kget.com/news/local/stor...g-laser-at/Bm2W74O-rE-8mcDsRNcBYQ.cspx?rss=91

"BAKERSFIELD, CA - A federal grand jury in Fresno returned the indictment of a Bakersfield man who was arrested for pointing a laser at an aircraft.

This is the first time such charges have been brought to this judicial district. (Hopefully it will be the last!)

Brett Scott was arrested in January for shining a laser pointer at a Sheriff's Department helicopter. :)wtf:D'OH!) Prosecutors say Scott used two different lasers to strike aircrafts multiple times over a three-month period.


Scott is charged with four counts of aiming a laser pointer at a Kern County Sheriff's helicopter and four counts of attempting to interfere with the safe operation of the aircraft.

Scott says he was using the laser to point out the stars to his daughter.

The charges carry a maximum penalty of 20 years in prison and a $250,000 fine.

Scott's defense attorney says the penalty for the charge is extreme.

"The penalty in the federal system with respect to this particular crime, doesn't fit at all. And, I think that when you look historically as to why this particular crime was enacted, it was enacted because of folks like Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda and folks that have these laser-guided missiles, things of that nature, where they didn't want folks pointing guided lasers up in the air, things of that nature. But, here you have teenagers doing this from time to time or other individuals who are unaware of what the law is," said David Torres, Scott's attorney.

According to the FBI, there were more than 3,400 reported aircraft laser strikes last year. Exposure to high-powered laser beams can cause permanent eye damage and blindness. The statute used to charge Scott is part of legislation that was signed into law by President Obama last year.

Scott is one of four individuals indicted on similar charges Thursday. The Kern County Laser Threat working group has worked with federal law enforcement and aviation employees to crack down on laser strikes. (Laser Threat working group?? This is where we're headed??:cryyy:)

Scott is scheduled for arraignment on the indictment on Monday. Torres says they will enter a plea of not guilty."


No info on the power level of the laser pointers, I could not tell what they were from the news feed.

FYI, T.
 
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Wow.... I have to agree that this fellow is admittedly a complete idiot, and while the potential for 20 years of jail time and a $250k USD fine does seem a bit steep, even considering the nature of the matter at hand, I can't say that I fully disagree with the harshness of the penalties outlined by the related pieces of legislation either. By pointing any laser device at an aircraft under any circumstances, one is creating a dramatically increased risk of disrupting the pilot's ability to fly, thus concurrently increasing the risk of the aircraft crashing and bringing harm, or death, to one or more people. You could almost technically classify something of this nature as attempted murder...
 

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Wow.... I have to agree that this fellow is admittedly a complete idiot, and while the potential for 20 years of jail time and a $250k USD fine does seem a bit steep, even considering the nature of the matter at hand, I can't say that I fully disagree with the harshness of the penalties outlined by the related pieces of legislation either. By pointing any laser device at an aircraft under any circumstances, one is creating a dramatically increased risk of disrupting the pilot's ability to fly, thus concurrently increasing the risk of the aircraft crashing and bringing harm, or death, to one or more people. You could almost technically classify something of this nature as attempted murder...

It is fairly obvious that you (like the government) do not understand the concepts of output and divergence

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dave
 
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It is fairly obvious that you (like the government) do not understand the concepts of output and divergence

Peace,
dave
I do very much so understand those concepts, and I also duly admit that my perception of the true degree of threat posed by the given scenario may be (actually, probably is) distorted, and I apologize if I have spoken in error. On that note, in fact, I'll go do just a bit of math to put the true amount by which such an occurrence is hazardous into perspective for myself, and to give myself a better informed point of view before speaking on such a matter again...I'm actually upset with myself that I didn't look into the matter more in-depth prior to speaking my mind on it. :oops:

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Dragon/Cody
 
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The troubling thing about this isn't whether he actually caused any problem to the pilots, it's that if/when a laser was/is involved - of ANY power level - in such an illegal activity, it brings even more regulation to the minds of politicians, most of whom know absolutely nothing about lasers (except perhaps what they've seen in movies), so that if even a very few people demonstrate irresponsibility over time, they would rather (and lazily) just blanket forbid lasers to all for the sins of those very few.

As far as distance, law enforcement helicopters usually don't fly very high; imo a higher powered handheld with tight divergence could indeed be a serious flash-blind hazard to the pilot(s), especially at night. I certainly wouldn't want to find out.

T.
 
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Let's not forget that copying a video tape carries a similar penalty. 20 years and 250k may sound extreme, but in reality he will probably be ordered to do a few hours of community service and a small fine.
 

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Okay...maybe I am a bit paranoid here, but I ALWAYS check the sky before shining my laser in the air. I live north of Austin, TX so we get the occasional plane but not often....here lately though, there is a lot more air activity and a part of me wonders if planes, helicopters, etc are looking for someone shining a laser. Even if you are not shining it at them, they could accuse you of it and you would be screwed.

So my advice to everyone is this: if there is ANY aircraft in the sky AT ALL, then do not shine your laser off the other direction. It seems to me they are coming down hard on lasers and if they decide to claim you hit their plane even if you were on the other side of the sky, who will believe your story over theirs? I fear our joys shall soon be contraband....
 
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it is fairly obvious that you (like the government) do not understand the concepts of output and divergence

peace,
dave

thank you!

Funny thing about his lawyer and how he says that :

" it was enacted because of folks like Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda and folks that have these laser-guided missiles, things of that nature, where they didn't want folks pointing guided lasers up in the air, things of that nature. But, here you have teenagers doing this from time to time or other individuals who are unaware of what the law is"

Yeah my laser might devert a laser guided missle.

and last time I heard ignorance wasn't an excuse.

FUNNY SH!t!!

Also.. "Scott is one of four individuals indicted on similar charges Thursday"

All on the same day?! but the story started with:

"This is the first time such charges have been brought to this judicial district"

But they have a "Kern County Laser Threat working group"

Oh well I doubt he will get a fair shake...
 
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Okay...maybe I am a bit paranoid here, but I ALWAYS check the sky before shining my laser in the air. I live north of Austin, TX so we get the occasional plane but not often....here lately though, there is a lot more air activity and a part of me wonders if planes, helicopters, etc are looking for someone shining a laser. Even if you are not shining it at them, they could accuse you of it and you would be screwed.

So my advice to everyone is this: if there is ANY aircraft in the sky AT ALL, then do not shine your laser off the other direction. It seems to me they are coming down hard on lasers and if they decide to claim you hit their plane even if you were on the other side of the sky, who will believe your story over theirs? I fear our joys shall soon be contraband....
Well said, and I fully agree. I personally am extremely paranoid about any aircraft being in the sky before and as I point a laser to the heavens. I constantly scan the sky to ensure that there isn't so much as a single aircraft visible when my beam is pointing up. Then again, I suppose that my paranoia regarding such a matter is well-founded, considering the fact that I live no more than about 2-3 miles or so from an airport, albeit not a terribly active airport, an airport nonetheless...

Dragon/Cody
 
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I do very much so understand those concepts, and I also duly admit that my perception of the true degree of threat posed by the given scenario may be (actually, probably is) distorted, and I apologize if I have spoken in error. On that note, in fact, I'll go do just a bit of math to put the true amount by which such an occurrence is hazardous into perspective for myself, and to give myself a better informed point of view before speaking on such a matter again...I'm actually upset with myself that I didn't look into the matter more in-depth prior to speaking my mind on it. :oops:

Sincerely,
Dragon/Cody

Another aspect to add into this mix is the position of the cockpit and pilots' windows (especially on commercial airliners).
At what angle and distance will the laser's beam actually be able to strike the cockpit windows in a direction that could cause the pilots to be dazzled by the light

Police helicopters fly lower and have downward exposed windows that are not present in most aircraft
A pilot in a 767 or an F-17 cannot see the ground below them (even on takeoff or final approach)

Well said, and I fully agree. I personally am extremely paranoid about any aircraft being in the sky before and as I point a laser to the heavens. I constantly scan the sky to ensure that there isn't so much as a single aircraft visible when my beam is pointing up. Then again, I suppose that my paranoia regarding such a matter is well-founded, considering the fact that I live no more than about 2-3 miles or so from an airport, albeit not a terribly active airport, an airport nonetheless...

Dragon/Cody

This is a good thing.
It is not a good thing because you "might" accidentally blind a pilot
It is a good thing because you are VERY visible from the air and the police have a well founded record of over-reactikon to being lit by lasers

Peace,
dave
 
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I wonder how many of these people are "copycats" that see/read articles like that and think "I can get away with it."

An IMPORTANT THING to remember from the story at the link that Moh posted is that the perp used a laser BORROWED FROM A FRIEND. Choose your friends VERY carefully... better to NEVER LOAN A LASER.

2-1/2 YEARS IN THE FED PEN, PEOPLE... that's a serious :banned:

SPREAD THE WORD.

T.
 
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