DO NOT buy the 3.6V 19Ah D cell at radioshack.

they sell 3.7V they have the 26000 size in a 2 pack on clearnce I think it's half off ( cant think of the number but it's the one jetlasers take.) lithium ions but right next to it is a D Lithium thionyl chloride Battery ( it says on back.)

The thing is there's no mention of not recharging it and it even says for use in something high drain. THATS THE exact opposite they can only handle a sustained 200ma or 400ma pulse.

check this site that sells one to see what I mean. The radio shack batteries don't even have tabs and worse they cell a universal charger that charges all battery types that are lithium ion and NiMH. Someone new to lithium is gonna have a horrible accidents.

Here's what the site that sells batteries says about it's use. (not radioshack.)

Primary applications for:

Radio communication equipments and other military electronics
Building alarms, monitoring and security systems
Industrial and residential metering systems
Emergency location transmitters and Beacons
Global POsitioning Systems (GPS)
Computer or server memory back up
LED lighting devices
Sonobuoys
Compatibale with and replaces SAFT LSH20 battery with over 40% more energy
Use Warning

This battery is a non-rechargeable battery. DO NOT CHARGE THE BATTERY!
Do not use if the battery casing is damaged.
Please discharge the battery for a few minutes with 100mA.
Don't use different models of battery in series.
This is not a high drain battery, please don't use it for the applications with discharging current > 200 mA!
The storage area should be clean, cool (not exceeding +30 Deg C ), dry and ventilated

Rechargeable Batteries & Battery Chargers - Primary High Energy Lithium thionyl chloride Battery: D Size 3.6V 19 Ah (ER34615, SAFT LSH20 ) With Tabs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thionyl_chloride

read how toxic it is when it comes into contact with water. It makes gases that are toxic.

Spread the word about radioshack too.

DO NOT buy the 3.6V 19Ah D cell at radioshack.

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Correction: Do not buy Lithium thionyl chloride Batteries for high drain devices. They're for low power disposable devices that need to operate for LONG periods of time. Locator beacons, oceanic sensors, weather balloons, etc.

All batteries have nasty chemicals in them. There is no reason to fear them unless you abuse them.

Cyparagon said:

Correction: Do not buy Lithium thionyl chloride Batteries for high drain devices. They're for low power disposable devices that need to operate for LONG periods of time. Locator beacons, oceanic sensors, weather balloons, etc.

All batteries have nasty chemicals in them. There is no reason to fear them unless you
abuse them.

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Yeah but these are more toxic then Nicd's even. Hell the thionyl chloride is listed as a chemical weapon precursor and it's schedule 3 on the list of chemical weapons.

Like I said radioshack says they're good for high drain devices which is total bullshit.

"Batteries[edit]

A selection of Lithium/Thionyl chloride batteries
Thionyl chloride is a component of lithium-thionyl chloride batteries, where it acts as the positive electrode (cathode) with lithium forming the negative electrode (anode); the electrolyte is typically lithium tetrachloroaluminate. The overall discharge reaction is as follows:
4Li + 2 SOCl2 → 4 LiCl + S + SO2
These non rechargeable batteries have many advantages over other forms of lithium battery such as a high energy density, a wide operational temperature range and long storage and operational lifespans. However, their high cost and safety concerns have limited their use. The contents of the batteries are highly toxic and require special disposal procedures, additionally they may explode if shorted.
Safety[edit]
SOCl2 is a reactive compound that can violently and/or explosively release dangerous gases upon contact with water and other reagents. Thionyl chloride is controlled under the Chemical Weapons Convention, where it is listed in Schedule 3. Thionyl chloride is used in the "di-di" method of producing G-series nerve agents."



the shipping fee for one sell is like 60 dollars due them being so hazardous even a Lithium ion dosen't have that and it's only like that one site i linked to if you get a 10ah lipo and then it's only if you don't choose ups ground.

Is there a back story here? Did you charge one and it exploded or caught fire?

No but I was at radioshack and I was looking at li-ons as they have every size and I thought it was a D lion but I saw 19000Mah on it and I'm like there's no way a D sized lithium ion comes close It was $21 I think and I was gonna buy it to put in my maglight but I noticed the 3.6 and not 3.7 That's when I looked on the back it said the chemistry and something about "delivers energy rapidly when needed in high drain devices. This is just gonna cause a lawsuit when someone buys to use in their one D holder battery or something for a project or a 2 cell flashlight that takes D batteries and use one with a spacer and it blows.

Well it was a good catch. Some lithium rechargeables do say 3.6 rather than 3.7 on them even though they still charge to 4.2V. I have some.
On a side note I there's still a few Radshacks in my area. They used to be everywhere here and I can think of 5 that were within a 5 mile radius from my house. They are all at least 20 minutes away from me now and I haven't been to one in awhile although I did buy a bunch of stuff from closing stores.

Calm down.

Are you going to cut it open and huff the fumes? No? Then why worry? There are a few grams at most. Let's not pretend like a few grams is enough to kill a city block or something. Let's not pretend like drinking battery juice is something you do every day and need to evaluate the toxicity risk. Relax.

joeyss said:

Like I said radioshack says they're good for high drain devices which is total bullshit.

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Where do they say that?

Cyparagon said:

Calm down.

Are you going to cut it open and huff the fumes? No? Then why worry? There are a few grams at most. Let's not pretend like a few grams is enough to kill a city block or something. Let's not pretend like drinking battery juice is something you do every day and need to evaluate the toxicity risk. Relax.



Where do they say that?

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on the back and they have the same color as the rechargeable ones. It's really unnerving to me tho that they're right next to all the chargers good thing they're over 20 bucks a piece so no one is gonna by 3 or 4.

Maybe I'm over doing it a bit but I can't believe a store would even think of selling these without any warnings. Radioshack has really gone to crap over the past few years like selling a 12v 7ah SLA for 30+ dollars. I got 2 8 Ah ones online for like 16.


So then again I'm not surprised by them selling it since the stores that are left open probably need it to carry anything over priced and just sell it. They obviously didn't run it by their lawyers or it wouldn't be stocked next to the regular li-ons and have that statement on back saying it's for high drain. There's also nothing about it being hazardous waste when totally discharged since one of the discharge products is sulfur dioxide. It's just this has to be one of the stupidest corporate ideas recently. I'm just glad I noticed.

The only complaints I'm hearing aren't problems with product itself, but its inability to fit in with your applications.

I could make all the same arguments for liquor at a bar: It's a lot cheaper elsewhere, it's toxic and can kill people when abused, and it doesn't taste good if I pour it in my cereal instead of milk.

joeyss said:

Radioshack has really gone to crap over the past few years like selling a 12v 7ah SLA for 30+ dollars.

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:can:

Things are more expensive in brick-and-mortar stores than when you buy them direct from china. Is this news to you? Do you really think this only happens with radio shack?

Furthermore, you said "gone to crap over the past few years"... did you USED to think radio shack had REALLY GREAT PRICES on products? :crackup:

joeyss said:

I got 2 8 Ah ones online for like 16

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Sure, and I got two 6000mAh ultrafires online for $2. What's your point?

Lithium thionyl chloride have systemically been used as memory protection applications, to which even 100mA is considered "high drain." Typically they run around the uA range, many of these batteries are permanently soldered into the devices they were meant to operate in