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i just stumbled upon this:

It is about protests in Greece against
a planned garbage dump.
the newspaper article said that it has a kind of
tradition to hurt the police at the eyes...
Very sad for a decent greeni to be (ab)used in that way.


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Hello 921gxtv,

this seems to be your first post on LPF - welcome to the forum

The reason for your post is worrying: if more people use their lasers to attack others, especially the police, it is most likely that there will be more restrictions and laws against using and holding lasers

Thanks for the link.
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did i get this right,you guys dont want this kind of
info because of possible copycats?
I think people reading this forum already know what they
want to do with their lasers. IMHO it is highly unlike
that a twat read this and think:hmmm,thatīs a good idea
how to use my new toy.
I posted this link here in the "general" section
since i thought this is the place to discuss other
aspects related to lasers than technical.
So,sorry for any disagreeableness.
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This information was quite interesting and worrying to me. I'm sure this forum is open for any kind of discussion about lasers - so please go ahead posting your topics
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The action itself is bad, but the photo in the article is also worse ..... it looks as if someone is aiming a 10 cm dia beam from a 100W green unit against those policemen .....

..... photoshopping, anyone ? .....
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I don't think that there are so powerful lasers in Greece.. Maybe the camera picks the green very bright and thus it appears like a weapon. People here actually carry 50 and 100 mW greenies but not something over 200 mW

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..... photoshopping, anyone ? .....
Yea those cops don't seem bothered by it. And its not like they wouldn't notice it.
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I remember a very similar image from a laser used against police for a few years ago.

This one could have been taken in the dark, so the beam would stand out like that on a long exposure. As the image is quite noisy, it looks like a high iso value was used to produce it too.

It would be a very worrysome development if people use lasers against the police in demonstrations and such... probably a fast track to some kind of ban. I'm affraid that the people doing this don't give a darn about that though
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Well, there are also some other things that make me think that the photo is or fake, or "posed" (i mean, made intentionally) ..... laser beams and dots, usually, are considered from police as "targetting devices" , and they made them very nervous ..... where instead in that photo they are looking quietly (almost funny, can say) at the beam, no trial to repair the eyes, none act as if they want to get away from the beam ..... they're simply staring at the photocam as if they are posing ..... also, by the way, the beam look as if it was coming from very near the photographer too ..... it really appear as a photo "posed" with a 5mW beam as reference and then (badly) photoshopped ..... photography is one of my hobbies, so i cannot avoid to see "strange" things, especially when they are too much clears .....

Basically, look at that what i mean in this clipping (there are also other details, but they are too much technicals and not so evidents as these ones):



The two agents in first place, are looking directly in the camera, as if they are posing, not controlling a riot (regardless the fact that in the pic there's no sign of any other peoples, nor their shadows, difficult also this in the middle of a protest ) ..... then the beam itself looks "solid", opposite than for a normal light beam ..... also, the pic is "granulous", but steady, no blurs due to movements that you usually can see in "action pics" taken at low light (and also here, the border of the "beam" have not the same granulosity of all the rest of the pic) ..... in the background there are some other agents, the tall one with the shield lifted up is "almost" (not totally, but acceptable for a quick photoshopping) correctly illuminated from the reflex of the beam on the shoulder, but the lower one on the right, rear the tall one (you see only part of the helmet) is fully illuminated, as if the light was passing through the tall agent body and gas mask (or same as if someone blurred some green on the helmet ..... you can clearly see that between the helmet and the light spot there is the face and gas mask, but on the helmet there's no mask shadow, and the green on the helmet have not the same gradient and granulosity scheme that the other helmets have) ..... last (but not least ), it's just my impression, or those agents, under the glass of the gas mask, are wearing laser protective goggles ? (that, afaik, are not part of a normal police equipment for riot control )

Or is just my impression also this ?
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the pics are stills taken from reuters video footage.
but i must admit this one looks odd (in particular the shadows)
as well as it did not appear in the video sequence shown here on tv.
maybe some scenes have been "***ed up" for dramatization.
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Its hard to tell from one still image really. It looks like the laser is just grazing the policemans shoulder. If that is the case, this is a laser at a huge distance or one with very bad divergence.
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Interesting to see the other pics on that page:

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Guys seriously, it's not p-shopped. There's too much reflection/scattering of light in the first pic. It'd take a p-shop master weeks to do.
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Those extra images shed some light on the situation:

It looks like the lasers are being pointed from pretty far away, which explains the big beam diameter. I also see some smoldering fires on ground, that probably produce a lot of smoke which makes the laser beam much more visible. When you look at the first pic in the post above, you can clearly see some bright spots in the beam just in the path of the smoke.

As for the posing policemen: I suppose they are posing. By the looks of things, the photographer is pretty close to them, and far from the 'rioters' pointing that laser. It would be logical to assume they are aware of the photographer, but don't take any action against him because he is a journalist.
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