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Looking for someone to make one of these Belt hog pulley alignment tool , the new laser standard for pulley alignment, manufactured by Fixturlaser AB


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ROTFL !

Those types of "belt assemblies" are made in that way EXACTLY cause they don't need precise alignments, so why someone may need a laser aligner for them ?

Anyway, looking at how they are made, i suppose anyone with access to a mill can made them, if they want
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ROTFL !

Those types of "belt assemblies" are made in that way EXACTLY cause they don't need precise alignments, so why someone may need a laser aligner for them ?

Anyway, looking at how they are made, i suppose anyone with access to a mill can made them, if they want
They actually do need precise alignment, if they are off the belt wears funny and they also stress the bearings.

The shiv is a draw in compression type , always fun to set up properly.

I hope someone can come up with something, i could probably keep them pretty busy.
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There is really nothing too complicated in that assembly.
You just need a standard red Laser Line module... some
strong magnets and someone to machine the pulley
groove centering cogs/tips. I even think you can get away
with using only a single alignment head.

Then once that is done you need to do a Laser to case
alignment to make sure your laser line is indeed in line
with a properly pre-aligned pulley setup.


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There is really nothing too complicated in that assembly.
You just need a standard red Laser Line module... some
strong magnets and someone to machine the pulley
groove centering cogs/tips. I even think you can get away
with using only a single alignment head.

Then once that is done you need to do a Laser to case
alignment to make sure your laser line is indeed in line
with a properly pre-aligned pulley setup.


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Ok, I have to ask. If you need them, what's wrong with buying the one's you pointed out in the OP?

Last I checked, we weren't china here. heh. Most people here don't just blatantly rip off other people's products for profit.
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Ok, I have to ask. If you need them, what's wrong with buying the one's you pointed out in the OP?

Last I checked, we weren't china here. heh. Most people here don't just blatantly rip off other people's products for profit.
Thats funny, last time i checked there were a shit pot full of people in the buy sell section selling lasers, maybe you should trot on over there and let them know how you feel, after you return anything not made in china yourself.
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Yep. but if you look closely in the BST section, you'll be hard pressed to find someone who is blatantly copying someone elses design then undercutting them.

Theft is theft regardless of what you keep telling yourself to prop yourself up morally. It doesn't matter if it's an idea, or a physical product.
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Last I checked, we weren't china here. heh. Most people here don't just blatantly rip off other people's products for profit.
Not to mention the fact that you're asking to use North American labour, to do a small-run reproduction of another product made by North American labour in higher QTYs.

If anything, isn't it going to be substantially more expensive to get these custom built, as opposed to just ordering what has already been designed and built?
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Cool, who do i talk to?
My company's main business is R&D...
We could produce a product similar to what you are looking
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The 1st thing we would need is a signed NDA... and a sizable
retainer..

Then when we have a basic idea and drawings there will be
a 50% estimated Parts and Labour deposit.
Then we would put together a prototype and test its functionality...

Once the Prototype is accepted by the customer the balance
of the contract payments are due with us handing over all the
manufacturing drawings and Schematics.

That would take about 3-6 months and cost in the region of
$10K-$ 20K...

You would then need to search out a manufacturer...

If you needed just one (1) it is cheaper to buy it from the
Seller.

If you want to sell only 100 units then I would approach the
seller and ask for a Dealers Quantity Discount.

If you want to compete with the seller then be prepared
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Tell yourself whatever you feel like you have to guys, but a laser pointer is a laser pointer is a laser pointer.
How many different kinds of alignment tools would have to be on the market before i wouldnt be ; ripping off someone?
No one here reinvented the wheel, everyone uses someone elses design or works off of someone elses idea, that what this whole site is about, people sharing ideas.
It cant be to hard and charging 1500 dollars for a mass produced tool like that is theft imo

Laserbee i will work on getting something machined up, the lasers are very low power like 5mw from what ive read.
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It cant be to hard and charging 1500 dollars for a mass produced tool like that is theft imo.
It's a very vertical application. You're amortizing development costs over a much smaller market of potential buyers. Intrinsic cost of the underlying components is not the issue here. Distributing the cost of development across sales revenue is.

Microsoft can sell a copy of Windows for $200, even though it is phenomenally more complex than something like CRM software that would sell for $2,000 or more. Why? Because 80% of the people reading this post are probably reading it on a system running a copy of Windows. Whereas 80% of the people reading this post probably don't know what CRM software is, let alone use it.

Suppose you only want to sell these things for like $100, and you want half of that to be profit. You've got $50 to use for costs, and lets say the components cost half of that, so $25. That gives you $25 of R&D to attribute to each unit sold. Using Jerry's R&D estimate, you'd need to sell 800 units before you've even recouped the entirety of that research investment.

I don't know how many this company is actually selling, but I would be surprised if they're pushing thousands of them out that door.

Or take the example of my stupid little 3.8mm diode modules. I'm going to have to sell them for something like $7 or $8, since the small-run costs are so much higher. Given the fact that an Aixiz module for 5.6mm diodes only costs ~$2.50, my price for 3.8s would seem like theft too.
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It's a very vertical application. You're amortizing development costs over a much smaller market of potential buyers. Intrinsic cost of the underlying components is not the issue here. Distributing the cost of development across sales revenue is.

Microsoft can sell a copy of Windows for $200, even though it is phenomenally more complex than something like CRM software that would sell for $2,000 or more. Why? Because 80% of the people reading this post are probably reading it on a system running a copy of Windows. Whereas 80% of the people reading this post probably don't know what CRM software is, let alone use it.

Suppose you only want to sell these things for like $100, and you want half of that to be profit. You've got $50 to use for costs, and lets say the components cost half of that, so $25. That gives you $25 of R&D to attribute to each unit sold. Using Jerry's R&D estimate, you'd need to sell 800 units before you've even recouped the entirety of that research investment.

I don't know how many this company is actually selling, but I would be surprised if they're pushing thousands of them out that door.

Or take the example of my stupid little 3.8mm diode modules. I'm going to have to sell them for something like $7 or $8, since the small-run costs are so much higher. Given the fact that an Aixiz module for 5.6mm diodes only costs ~$2.50, my price for 3.8s would seem like theft too.
Oh i understand the process , ive been self employed for over 10 years.
I also understand i can make the same thing myself for a fraction of the cost.

Most people use a straight edge because the price for this is so high and it is unreasonably high.

Dont get me started on televisions or other electronic devices and dont mention the theft from the drug companies .
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Tell yourself whatever you feel like you have to guys, but a laser pointer is a laser pointer is a laser pointer.
How many different kinds of alignment tools would have to be on the market before i wouldnt be ; ripping off someone?
No one here reinvented the wheel, everyone uses someone elses design or works off of someone elses idea, that what this whole site is about, people sharing ideas.
It cant be to hard and charging 1500 dollars for a mass produced tool like that is theft imo

Laserbee i will work on getting something machined up, the lasers are very low power like 5mw from what ive read.
The only problem is that whoever makes this alignment tool for you could be infringing on a patent which if they or you get caught with it can lead to a fine and or a lawsuit since it is illegal to do.
The company I work for already has a few lawsuits in progress for people/ other companies infringing on some of our patents using some technology that we spent lots of time money developing.
A hand held laser is different than something being used for industrial puposes.
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The only problem is that whoever makes this alignment tool for you could be infringing on a patent which if they or you get caught with it can lead to a fine and or a lawsuit since it is illegal to do.
The company I work for already has a few lawsuits in progress for people/ other companies infringing on some of our patents using some technology that we spent lots of time money developing.
A hand held laser is different than something being used for industrial puposes.
It doesnt matter to me if it bolts on the side, im sick of using a straight edge, i feel like a hack.
I will come up with something , im guessing i can use an old pully and mill it down and add a magnet or clamp.
Im just not paying that much for something that will only be used 6 or 7 times a year.
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Default Re: Can someone make this?

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Originally Posted by Somedude View Post
It doesnt matter to me if it bolts on the side, im sick of using a straight edge, i feel like a hack.
I will come up with something , im guessing i can use an old pully and mill it down and add a magnet or clamp.
Im just not paying that much for something that will only be used 6 or 7 times a year.
When I worked as a mill write at a gold mine we had some that were very inexpensive and used dial indicators, they had a laser alignment tool that was very pricey. I'll see if I can find out where they got the cheaper ones.

edit: They also had a machinist make some bars that had the same taper as the drive belts and you just place them in pulleys grove get proper alignment. I agree that the alignment tools are over priced.
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