hesc_photonics ebay trick!

Hemlock_Mike said:

Thanks for the info on this. I've never had Chris do this to me but I now suspect a couple other auctions where I got a second chance.
A good head's up to all.

HMike

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yea now that you mention it, my only purchase from Chris was from a second chance offer. Interesting...

What are the chances of that happening so often?

I also sell on ebay and have never had one of my high bidders refuse to pay or retreat the offer....

LuxIgnis said:

What are the chances of that happening so often?

I also sell on ebay and have never had one of my high bidders refuse to pay or retreat the offer....

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It never occurred to me that the winner is retracting his offer, I just thought maybe he had multiple of the item, and wanted to sell another one to me instead of re listing another one.

that's what it seems like, and the mail even comes in saying that you have been lucky, instead it should read "you've been fooled" . The second chance offers can be made only on same item. Plus, they can be done only to the second highest bidder, in fact the item number is the same as the one you initially bid on.
There are also special ebay auctions for multiple items, and he's not taking advantage of those.
If they were 2 different items of the same kind, they would have a different ebay number unless it's a multiple item auction, which it isn't.

I have several laser parts, and send a lot of SCO's out. As for one person wining 75% of my items, that is B.S. I think you are either the bidder trying to start trouble last night, a rival ebay seller, or somebody with sour grapes for being outbid. Sending a SCO is a lot easier than trying to sell as buy it now/best offer. Unlike a lot of sellers on ebay i accept a VERY large dollar range of bids i send SCO's to.

If you are accusing me of shill bidding than you are flat wrong, I am trying to get rid of stuff, and have too much of it as it is.

If you want some really good deals why not come over here in January and buy from me at a the WARAC swapfest. There will be deals far better than eBay will ever have

Also note that someone who was playing with my auctions got their ID got blocked, if they want to neg go ahead I don't care.

Well it's clear what your position is. I am not sure if it's possible to send a sco on a single-item auction, if it is possible, then there is a chance that what you are saying is true, but if there isn't, then.. who knows. So you are saying that it's possible to receive two feedbacks from two different people on the same item, even if it's not a multiple item auction?
Also, I didn't say that the same nick is winning 75% of your items, but at every auction end , every 10 days or so, there is one user who is buying most of the stuff.
It seems odd to me, but I will keep buying your stuff on ebay because there really isn't anyone with the same objects, I will just be more careful about bidding at my very highest amount, hoping that I get a deal.
As you can see, I did accept to buy the item even if I didn't like the second chance offer, because I really need that item. I paid right away with paypal, as I normally do, and as my 100% rating indicates. I just keep having some doubts about the whole thing.
Normally in an auction the amount goes higher and higher at the end but by small margins, say a 20$ price would go to 24, and then 28, then 31 etc.
When this happens with your auctions, there seems to be no interest in the auction, which sits low , then at the last second a big offer, equal to the suggested buy to price, is placed by one unknown person, then 2 minutes later we get a SCO at our highest bid price.

I've had that happen to me also on other eBay items. Is a good scam, snipe your own action, then put out a SCO to get the highest amount of what the original bidder would have paid. Plus double rep. I tell them just to keep it. Then they have to pay the fees.

The problem with that is that the winning bidder (be it someone else or you) needs
to pay for the item... The amounts are recorded in the eBay/Paypal Invoicing system..

Once an item is sold the seller immediately gets the Final Value Fee added to his
eBay accounts due and that is a percentage of the value it sold for...
The higher the selling price... the higher the FVF...

If there are more than 1 bidders on an auction and the auction was won by the
highest bidder... ebay allows you to send a Second Chance Offer to all the other
bidders at the maximum that each individual bidder offered...
if you have more than one identical item...

If you don't like the offer... Just refuse it... you are not obliged to take it..
If you find the SCO is too high then you have no-one else to blame but yourself...
you placed that bid amount...

You can also set your eBay preferences so that you can not receive SCOs..


Jerry

In my case, the high bidder didn't have to pay any item, he retracted his highest bid. I received an email from ebay saying that the winning bidder had retracted his offer.

If you read through Chris' feedbacks,
you can see other instances of the same problem someone complaining about this and Chris answering that the guy who was messing with his auctions got banned. That's what he said to me now, that the guy who didn't pay the item and retracted his bid got banned. That's a lot of people messing with his auctions and retracting bids.
But for me the case is closed, if EBAY says there is no evidence, then there is no evidence. Therefore a person is "innocent until proven guilty", I will give him the benefit of the doubt, and if he deserves it (he only knows), my apologies.

Hey Chris while I got your attention do you have any 9mm 635 nm diodes for sale ? I'm looking for a couple good ones and you just said you have too much stuff could you look and see if you have any of these avb.
Thanks !
Pyro...

heruursciences said:

I have several laser parts, and send a lot of SCO's out. As for one person wining 75% of my items, that is B.S. I think you are either the bidder trying to start trouble last night, a rival ebay seller, or somebody with sour grapes for being outbid. Sending a SCO is a lot easier than trying to sell as buy it now/best offer. Unlike a lot of sellers on ebay i accept a VERY large dollar range of bids i send SCO's to.

If you are accusing me of shill bidding than you are flat wrong, I am trying to get rid of stuff, and have too much of it as it is.

If you want some really good deals why not come over here in January and buy from me at a the WARAC swapfest. There will be deals far better than eBay will ever have

Also note that someone who was playing with my auctions got their ID got blocked, if they want to neg go ahead I don't care.

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i got one of those orange diode lasers he was selling on here ( for 250-1000 dollars ) I won it via bid for $30US... so dont no whats up there!

LuxIgnis said:

In my case, the high bidder didn't have to pay any item, he retracted his highest bid. I received an email from ebay saying that the winning bidder had retracted his offer.

If you read through Chris' feedbacks,
you can see other instances of the same problem someone complaining about this and Chris answering that the guy who was messing with his auctions got banned. That's what he said to me now, that the guy who didn't pay the item and retracted his bid got banned. That's a lot of people messing with his auctions and retracting bids.
But for me the case is closed, if EBAY says there is no evidence, then there is no evidence. Therefore a person is "innocent until proven guilty", I will give him the benefit of the doubt, and if he deserves it (he only knows), my apologies.

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Even if the highest bidder retracted his bid (he only has until the the last 12 hrs
of the auction to do so..) the bid value falls back down to where the bid was
before the retracted bid was placed... not to the highest amount bid by the
remaining highest bidder..

You don't get banned on eBay because you only retracted a bid...
You are allowed to retract any bid before the last 12 hours of an auction..

What some sellers may do is check what the last highest (max) placed
was by bidding very high himself (though a ghost account)... then he can see
what the max bid of the last bidder was... then retract that very High bid.
Then he snipes the auction and places a Shill Bid just under that last bidder's
Max amount to sell the item as close as possible to the last bidder's Max
amount.

So... if you see a seller with a lot of retracted bids.... that raises a flag to him
using this tactic....

To be honest I haven't yet checked the Bidding track record of this seller
as
of yet... even though I bid on a few of his items... Maybe a little bidding research
is in order...

Jerry

What some sellers may do is check what the last highest (max) placed
was by bidding very high himself (though a ghost account)... then he can see
what the max bid of the last bidder was... then retract that very High bid.
Then he snipes the auction and places a Shill Bid just under that last bidder's
Max amount to sell the item as close as possible to the last bidder's Max
amount

Somebody did this to me on a Coherent laser checkI won ages ago, had they not done that it would havve been wone for $99 instead of 215.00

Well,
Chris, I wrote to you just a few minutes ago. Before you ship the lens to Italy, see if you can add a 2-3w diode with FAC. I seem to have serious problems properly focusing without a FAC lens. that way you can send me 2 items

heruursciences said:

What some sellers may do is check what the last highest (max) placed
was by bidding very high himself (though a ghost account)... then he can see
what the max bid of the last bidder was... then retract that very High bid.
Then he snipes the auction and places a Shill Bid just under that last bidder's
Max amount to sell the item as close as possible to the last bidder's Max
amount

Somebody did this to me on a Coherent laser checkI won ages ago, had they not done that it would havve been wone for $99 instead of 215.00

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I thought that was what I just posted....:thinking:

What some sellers may do is check what the last highest (max) placed
was by bidding very high himself (though a ghost account)... then he can see
what the max bid of the last bidder was... then retract that very High bid.
Then he snipes the auction and places a Shill Bid just under that last bidder's
Max amount to sell the item as close as possible to the last bidder's Max
amount.

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Jerry

^ maybe he wanted just to quote your post and forgot the tags .....