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Default BDXL - Pioneer BDR-206M

I went ahead and picked up one of the new BDXL writers.

BDXL - Pioneer BDR-206M

I hope y'all are ready for a change of life (at least temporarily )

Here you can see the price with our lovely 9.75% state sales tax added on


The label from the box


Spec's


The different model numbers covered by this run


From the sticker on the drive itself


It comes with a fine disc for recording your data.
Anybody need one?


Here is the bottom of the drive
The screws are in familiar spots
(6 standard phillips screws)


With the cover removed
A PCB is blocking our view of the sled


Here's the sled, but I don't see any screws to remove it from the rails


Closer


I've pulled the drive out of the case and flipped it over
Still can't see anything


Here the disc carriage is slid forward exposing the screws holding the sled in place.
(3 phillinps screws)


The top of the sled


The bottom of the sled


The inside of the sled
The diodes are in the upper right corner
They both shine into a single, small beam combining cube


Here they are popped loose
I just used a small screwdriver to "wedge" them free.
They are held in place by a small amount of glue
The challenge started to dawn on me here
Do you see it?


Here are the diodes in their "double" heat sinks
One of these looks familiar
The clues mount


The first heat sink removed.
Once again simply held with small glue spots
Now it is clear that the diode on your left is an open can inside that heat sink
Do you see it now?


The diodes free of the second heat sink
One closed can and one open can
The open can appears to be our old friend the 3.8mm, combination red / IR diode that we have seen in the recent Pioneer bluray burners
That would leave the closed can to be the violet diode
Do you see it yet?


The open can has all three pins intact and "long"
The closed can has the case pin cut off flush with the diode and the pins are "short"
I removed everything without heat.
However, I recommend that you use the "solder blob" method to remove the ribbon cables BEFORE you remove the heat sinks.
The solder blobs on the pins proved problematic to the removal of the first heat sink of the closed can
Do you see it yet?
It should be clear to you by now


If you still haven't figured it out, here is a shot of the two diodes from the BDXL sled pictured next to a 445nm diode. Do you see the problem NOW?

This 405nm (violet) diode, which is reported to be rated at 500mW, is in a 3.8mm can!

Are you ready for a change in the hobby?
A standard Aixiz will not work for these without an adapter.
The machinists in the forum are going to have to dust off their 3.8mm diode holder plans


Needless to say, I have no test data yet. I'll have to get a 3.8mm diode holder before I can even try

So unless you are ready to get a custom 3.8mm diode holder or adapter, you may just want to stick with the 12X for awhile longer

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Oh wow , interesting but dissappointing. Once you have the required shim/adapter , what will your goal be with it?

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3.8mm???? What a-hole had the idea to put that in there! Don't they know we like 5.6mm cans???
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Wow, thanks for jumping in the cold pool for the whole community, daguin!
The diode's dimension are a disappointment.

Would it be wrong to assume that due to the smaller size diode, maximum sustainable
power should be lower, too? You know, with the heat/size....

Today I had a similar problem, I wanted to try out a 9mm IR diode, but I had no
module to mount it in. I improvised a "holder" out of two slabs of aluminium with appropriate size
holes drilled into them.
Then the diode gets sandwiched in between the screwed together pieces of aluminium.

Just one problem, no way to mount a lens so far.....
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This means smaller blu ray builds! That's really awesome how they have so much laser power jammed into such a tiny package!
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Oh wow , interesting but dissappointing. Once you have the required shim/adapter , what will your goal be with it?

Thanks for going the distance with the hobby.
I will do an IP/OP graph for it

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Wow, thanks for jumping in the cold pool for the whole community, daguin!
The diode's dimension are a disappointment.

Would it be wrong to assume that due to the smaller size diode, maximum sustainable
power should be lower, too? You know, with the heat/size....

Today I had a similar problem, I wanted to try out a 9mm IR diode, but I had no
module to mount it in. I improvised a "holder" out of two slabs of aluminium with appropriate size
holes drilled into them.
Then the diode gets sandwiched in between the screwed together pieces of aluminium.

Just one problem, no way to mount a lens so far.....
The 3.8mm can should not be an issue for power output. The can is just smaller

I wish we had, had this conversation before I mailed off the second batch of switches. I could have sent along a Merideth Instruments 9mm module for you


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This means smaller blu ray builds! That's really awesome how they have so much laser power jammed into such a tiny package!

The problem comes with the size of the lenses we have available. The can may be smaller, but (for now at least) the lens is still the same

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100gb disc? Thats over my hdd size!
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This is exciting I think because its different! I cannot wait to see what this can do.


As far as making bluray builds smaller....the 5.6mm can was the smallest part in pretty much any 405nm build ever so I dont think it will lead that that. Until someone can manage to make a driver smaller than 5.6mm there no advantage of the smaller can.

Someone has to have a 3.8mm module that they made sitting around. I would make one for you for free but I dont have any 3.8mm diodes to use for the design. I throw IR diodes away so I dont accidentally mistake them for visible diodes when building.
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Hey Dave, according to the numbers on the drive (or box), doesn't it say it is only a 6X writer for blu-ray?

Thanks for this work Dave...
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Hey Dave, according to the numbers on the drive (or box), doesn't it say it is only a 6X writer for blu-ray?


My thoughts exactly... 6x? Wonder if its 6x and writes to multiple
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Not sure what to make of it..


@Dave, im making up some mounts for the SMOC's you sent me..
Would you like one in copper? Cover the shipping and ill get one
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Just would ask that you double check the dia. If im not mistaken
they are 3.3mm, or im just getting old and have to re measure
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I think that Flaminpyro had some 3.8mm copper heat sinks in one of his tools threads.

edit: here we go, it says it's 3.7mm for the small reds though
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Thanks Dave for taking the plunge and buying one of these

@ meatball yep the builds are going to be getting smaller now at least 1.8mm smaller

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You know what they say, if he's got a small diode.....
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Yes it does. However, remember this is for quad-layer writing. The 12X speed rating was for dual-layer writing.

This tech was not developed for more speed. It was developed for more storage. Did you notice that the disc that came with it is rated for 100GB! Single-layer BD is 25GB Dual-layer is 50GB.



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My thoughts exactly... 6x? Wonder if its 6x and writes to multiple
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Not sure what to make of it..


@Dave, im making up some mounts for the SMOC's you sent me..
Would you like one in copper? Cover the shipping and ill get one
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Just would ask that you double check the dia. If im not mistaken
they are 3.3mm, or im just getting old and have to re measure
*see answer above

I would LOVE one of the mounts you are making up. Just let me know how much and where.

With my fat fingers and hand-held calipers I measured between 3.7mm and 3.9mm as I turned it.

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