Lasers and Girlfriends

[jakeGT]

Jai, you must think I'm an asshole and an idiot. One time I thought you were a girl, just because chez was a girl and I thought you two were girls that were friends, just becasue your avatars were small and you had long hair.

ANd now i called you chez because Your avatars and sigs are similar haha.

I'm sorry jainobez! Wasn't trying to offend you!

 

[umss]

Apology accepted





XD sorry trying to confuse you.

 

[jakeGT]

ahahaha! don't confuse me now!

I must say though, Jai is a very lucky man, I would love to be able to laze with my girlfriend.

 

[JaiNobeZ]

Haha Jake, don't worry about it. We also compete over who can get the most rep, and you've increased my lead



@Krogith: Agreeing to disagree is no fun

Cut all the "sick world" stuff. We're in agreement over that. I don't doubt it's mostly married men over thirty with kids. I am simply arguing with your statement that 50% of all those paying for prostitutes are doing so with an underage girl (an idea you so far have not attempted to support with evidence, and have provided evidence which actually weakens the claim) and objecting to the implication that the thirty percent of males are all visitting prostitutes on a regular basis when it's so overpoweringly more likely that a significant proportion of those who ticked yes have hired a prostitute on one occasion and not since... or a few times in a non-malicious manner and not on a regular basis (maybe on their stag night, or whatever). Also, when you factor in those who may have done it informally (thus having casually "paid for sex" without having "hired a prostitute") or in other countries where it is legal and where there is no big problem you have a final number which is almost definitely a lot smaller rather than bigger for the percentage of males who hire prostitutes (present tense, thus implying the action takes place on a regular basis).

Stop at any time, idm, i just love arguing the toss out of everything.
In fact, here, have some reps for a good argument!

 

[Madhatter]

people who tend to have sick tendencies know how to cover it up, you'd be surprised how many sickos have a loving family, a career, and are well established in the community, the darker the secret, the more often they have a better cover for such things.

 

[umss]

Horrible people >.<
don't do it if you've already got someone..

I hope no one here is like that ;o

 

[Krogith]

The Agree to disagree is to the point if your not going to read my links.

It's a billion dollar Black market industry in America. It takes a lot of people to support the cost. You also don't live in America and don't see our news on a daily basis as I do, I'm disabled from chronic pain and just sit around gathering information and have the national news on All Day Long and can watch all 3 of the main news networks News cycles, on top of the Internet news that I sift through all day as well mostly for world news and to confirm or look into something else on the regular news. It's getting really bad in the US.


EDIT: ROFL Post 911

 

[JaiNobeZ]

Alright, here's the thing.

I don't doubt that it is very bad.

I just don't think you've in any way supported the idea that half of all prostitute-hirings are to underage girls. Unless you've retracted that statement. I also think you are mislead in thinking that 40% of men are hiring prostitutes on a regular basis.

 

[LaZeRz]

this thread has been DERAILED magorly but still underage sex, paying to have sex bla bla bla is unforgiveable and wrong and why the hell would someone pay for something that he will get later in life for free :evil:

 

[HIMNL9]

Uhm, apart the fact that i agree with Chez, about the "who care" principle, when both the parts are consensuals (and we're speaking about just under-18 girls, not about kids, be clear with this), i have some doubts, about the fact that clients ask for underage girls ..... anyway, i don't want to start any war, ok ? ..... it's just a personal curiosity.

Let me ask you some things about this, just for the fun of the discussion:

You say that half of the clients pay for have sex with underage prostitutes ..... what exactly you mean, with this ?

That those clients intentionally ask for underage girls ? ..... like, going to them and ask them "hey, are you underage? ..... i'm searching an underage prostitute, can you direct me to them ?" ..... i don't doubt that clients that pay prostitutes may choose the more beautiful and young-looking ones, after all i suppose they pay also for the appearence, and i also suppose that, if they pay, they don't choose intentionally girls that looks old and ugly (ok, ok, at least the most part of them ..... there are always deviants ) ----- but, with all the controls and risks, permit me to have some doubts, that there are so much peoples that ask for minors

Or maybe, that half of the clients don't care if the girls are underage ? ..... but also in this case, do you really think that a client can ask the girl to show him her documents, for certify that she's over-18 ? ..... or that any of these girls, asked about their age, simply don't lie about it, for get the client more easily ? ..... also about this, i have some little doubts (and, other than this, how do you see if a girl is or not over-18 ? ..... i personally know girls that are 20 and looks 15, and a couple of twins that are 17 and look 25 ..... the aspect means nothing, especially with makeup )

This, ofcourse, speaking about "street girls" (don't know the right term in English, sorry) ..... when instead you speak about so-called "escort services" agencies, the things changes ..... i heard that this one is a business ruled from very "protected" peoples (usually, industrials or bank managers, not just crime), with a lot of "hooks" in police and politics ..... with similar premises, i can easily trust that a client rich enough, and available to pay enough, can ask for a girl specifying anything, including age, and become "served on-the-fly", but this, i really doubt can be considered the majority of the prostitution market, or make some conspicuous statistics.

Ofcourse, mine are just speculations, i never felt the need to pay a girl, so i never done that (is not a matter of laws or costumes, i don't even care about these laws, and can't care less than so about what the others think ..... i don't just feel right the idea itself, cause i feel it as "buy a person", and this is against my personal principles) so cannot know this market directly, only from reports, documents and news ..... but if you have some proofs, i may be glad to see them.

And last, permit me a little joke, ( with no intentions to offend anyone, especially the girls )

..... and why the hell would someone pay for something that he will get later in life for free .....

Who said you that you get it "for free" ? ..... have you never considered how much it cost you, in fact of home bills and fees, new car, dresses and makeups and gifts for the wife, extra expenses when the kids comes, and so on ? ..... "for free" is not exactly the right way for define it, i think :eg: ..... (just kidding )

 

[rvrh3]

Maybe I'm just lucky but girls find it sexy that I have a scientific mind. This includes my degree in engineering and interests in lasers and astronomy. Maybe its how you present it that makes the difference.

 

[JaiNobeZ]

@HIMNL9: Yeah, pretty much what i've been meaning all along although you worded it much better than me and gave a lot of information i didn't mention. We're basically in agreement.

Although (and i know lots of folk will disagree) i don't think the act of hiring someone for sex is inherently wrong, just the consequences of it are potentially wrong. And, unlike HIMNL9, i am willing to start a war over it! Because, as i keep saying, i love arguing!!

Also, starting now i'm going to take an evolutionary-psychology approach to my arguments wherever possible. Because evolutionary psychology is brilliant!

@LaZeRz: Well... because a guy might be old and single (and rich) and thus unable to find a partner that's young and\or attractive.

 

[InfinitusEquitas]

Ok, so let's get some things out of the way first... IMO any kind of exploitation is BAD. With regards to the act of prostitution, while I don't condone it, I don't really see it as being bad or evil.

I mean what is the big difference vs a deep tissue massage? If a woman wants to earn money by providing a service, I really don't have any issue with that.

The view being presented here is also that women have zero choice in the matter. Well, I've been to a few strip clubs when I was younger, and if you actually talk to the girls, most of them do it because the pay is very good. I mean where else can an 18+ girl make $500+ per shift? In many cases women chose to go into prostitution of their own free will.

With regards to "Johns" going for underage girls, I'm sure it happens, but in vast majority of cases the john is not aware the girl is underage. I'm also fairly sure most johns would stop if they knew a girl was underage.

Anyway, IMO prostitution should be legalized and regulated.

Much as many people may not like it, there is a reason it's called the oldest profession, and it's not going away anytime soon. I also think this is the way to deal with the drug problem in this country... These two issues kind of go hand in hand.

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Now on a more fun note, I showed a 200mW green laser to a few people over the weekend. Three 4 guys and two girls. From all of the guys the reaction was more or less uniform:drool: they liked it. Even though the question of practicality was there right away. The two girls... one berated me that it's too dangerous, and the other thought it was strange. Once again confirming that women and lasers don't really mix.

 

[Krogith]

Your Right if the average age they start doing it is at 11-13 and there mostly forced into it, Not Choosing it, I have already provided links to these #'s ( that means out of all the Women working in the Sex trade in the USA MOST of them started at age 11-13 or Younger (**when you do a average on Something, You have to have a vast majority below and above the # to get a Average)) That statistic also says that most women in the Sex Trade Started Young, so that woman your having sex with has been messed up sense she was a little girl and what else can she do at that point? they already are Broken and Damaged by That Point. they got Ganged raped to get Broken into it. There Self Worth has to be almost Nothing.

So a 11-13 year old girl that gets Forced into The sex World, hey why not let her, it's was Her Choice Right....

 

[AUTO XX]

And last, permit me a little joke, ( with no intentions to offend anyone, especially the girls )



Who said you that you get it "for free" ? ..... have you never considered how much it cost you, in fact of home bills and fees, new car, dresses and makeups and gifts for the wife, extra expenses when the kids comes, and so on ? ..... "for free" is not exactly the right way for define it, i think :eg: ..... (just kidding )

It's "the f*cking you get for the f*cking you got" :crackup:

I think the only reason prostitution is bad is because there are no ways to actually enforce the rules.
If the girls got tested consistently (this would require a faster testing process) the spread of diseases would be limited.
If the pimps were imprisoned/punished for threats and physical attacks (as they would be against any other citizen) it would limit the violent aspect of prostitution.
There are always the "what ifs" but I don't agree that much of the population participates in the sex trade.
I knew a prostitute when I was just a kid (she worked a strip near one of my favorite raspberry patches).
It seemed like most of her Johns were basically clones of the same guy.
White, average income (based on the car), kinda unpleasant in appearance, generally 30-45 years old.
She also said that her favorites were the guys over 65 because they were gentlemen, had no problems getting money from them, they were her regulars, and they were never violent.
The young guys (younger than 30) were the only ones she had any real problems with.

Simple solution: These guys that screw around with little kids (knowingly) have been proven to be beyond rehabilitation.
Neuter them!

*edit*
It also depends on the focus group.
If you asked the percentage of people to solicit a prostitute or sex from a minor from the guest stars from "to catch a predator" you would likely run pretty high figures.
If you posed the same question to junior high students you probably wouldn't get very many hits.
If you walked down "the strip" and asked people if they solicited sex, you will get skewed results.
An independent study with no vested interest and a huge survey group would be needed before I personally believe ANY figures.
Journalists have a vested interest in that they have to sensationalize EVERYTHING. These are the same people that said the % of population with aids in Africa is 95%.....All lies...

 

[Krogith]

That would Help Or Lob the whole thing Off! Now go Sit when you Pee!:crackup: