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Tec popped off of Laserbee






justinjja said:
Yay, 95$ + shipping to fix an lpm I bought for 90$ :undecided:
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By the serial number you supplied to us... you did not buy
this LPM from us. This LaserBee 2.5W is a used LPM that
you bought as 2nd hand and used.

The original owner purchased it almost 1 year ago.
We have no idea as to the mechanical shock the sensor
has been subjected to in the past year..

As I've said in other Threads... anyone buying a used LaserBee
product on the Forum that I am aware of and post on will
get the same Customer Service as if it was purchased from
us directly.

That does not mean you get a new 6 months manufactures
Warranty period or a transfer of warranty from previous owners..

These same LPMs sell for $239.99 including USA or Canada
shipping on eBay...


InfinitusEquitas said:
Might as well just buy a new one.
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That would be the route I would take... It would come with
a new 6 month manufacturers defect warranty..


Jerry

You can contact us at any time on our Website: J.BAUER Electronics
 
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lasersbee said:
The original owner purchased it almost 1 year ago.
We have no idea as to the mechanical shock the sensor
has been subjected to in the past year..
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Why does it matter for warantee if someone is the first owner of the device? They dont just go 'bad' from being sold on.

As for mechanical shock, there would probably be evidence - you dont just drop an anodized heatsink onto a tile floor from considerable height without leaving a marks on the heatsink.

If there are signs of mechanical damage to the unit i can see a reason for no warantee, but otherwise, who can tell what caused the tec to detach from its heatsink?
 
Looks like the guys @ radiant electronics are willing to give me a radiant alpha for mine,
Thanks! :D

@kiyoucan - I dont think I got your pm yet
As for as I can tell i would need some kind of "reprogramer" to recalibrate my LPM
There aren't any potentiometere inside of it that I can see.

I just re-attached the tec with some Acrtic thermal epoxy,
Once it is dry I'll have to see how far out of wack it is.

@Benm - I agree
 
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Benm said:
Why does it matter for warantee if someone is the first owner of the device? They dont just go 'bad' from being sold on.
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Agreed but warranty is typically offered only to the original owner.

In this case all he's saying is the warranty is not extended by another six months when a used unit is resold to another person.

I noticed this to be a bit of an issue with videocards in the last few years with some using it as a gimmick that the limited lifetime warranty can be transferred twice.
 
justinjja said:
Looks like the guys @ radiant electronics are willing to give me a radiant alpha for mine,
Thanks! :D

@kiyoucan - I dont think I got your pm yet
As for as I can tell i would need some kind of "reprogramer" to recalibrate my LPM
There aren't any potentiometere inside of it that I can see.

I just re-attached the tec with some Acrtic thermal epoxy,
Once it is dry I'll have to see how far out of wack it is.

@Benm - I agree
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That could be a bit "sketchy". Another individual that used to sell a DIFFERENT meter, willing to trade one of theirs for one that sells decently on the forum and is of very clean design? Sounds a bit like espionage (if that's the proper word :thinking:) Jerry, your Laserbees do have patents do they not? If not, I'd look into them ASAP, my gut is telling me that this could perhaps get nasty....
 
bloompyle said:
That could be a bit "sketchy". Another individual that used to sell a DIFFERENT meter, willing to trade one of theirs for one that sells decently on the forum and is of very clean design? Sounds a bit like espionage (if that's the proper word :thinking:) Jerry, your Laserbees do have patents do they not? If not, I'd look into them ASAP, my gut is telling me that this could perhaps get nasty....
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Way to see the worst in people, lol

[sarcasm]
but if that is your plan,
I wouldn't recomend copying the glue they used :crackup:
[/sarcasm]
 
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justinjja said:
Way to see the worst in people, lol
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It just doesn't feel right, perhaps lack of sleep is causing it, but something about this seems off. On top of that, Mario's first and only post was an immediate attack at Jerry's LPM, and how it should've been manufactured better, and it was them at fault. Again, it all adds up to no good.
 
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LOL^
Ohh common like that has not already happened.
I built a few lpms myself.
One based on a pic micro, one on a teensy and another panel meter style.
And i have a decent schematic for most other lpms some minus a few chip numbers.
Along with pc interface codes for their graphing software.
I think if another company is willing to give him a working meter for trade for a broken unit why not?
At the end of the day he has a working meter.
Jerry also buys from what i know all of his competitors products to do what i assume is the same thing.
You dont think the radiant guys have ever had their hand on a laserbee meter before?
What is special is not the schematics but the way they are sold and reliability of parts and code.
Most meters work around the same ideas just different code in their chips.
The code in the chips is the main thing you dont want others to get your hands on.
Such as the algorithm for power projection and advance read times and the ability to increase resolution without the need for expensive external hardware. But the circuits are most time rather basic.
 
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Trevor said:
I'm not sure you entirely understand what a patent is...

Trevor
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I'm not saying that his laserbee has a patent. But in other words, are his build methods, and processes, techniques, blue-prints, arduino, coding, etc, are they covered/protected? I.E. if someone reverse-engineered a laserbee 2.5 USB unit, and built the EXACT same thing, and sold it under a different name, could said individual be prosecuted?
 
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kiyoukan said:
LOL^
Ohh common like that has not already happened.
I built a few lpms myself.
One based on a pic micro, one on a teensy and another panel meter style.
And i have a decent schematic for most other lpms some minus a few chip numbers.
Along with pc interface codes for their graphing software.
I think if another company is willing to give him a working meter for trade for a broken unit why not?
At the end of the day he has a working meter.
Jerry also buys from what i know all of his competitors products to do what i assume is the same thing.
You dont think the radiant guys have ever had their hand on a laserbee meter before?
What is special is not the schematics but the way they are sold and reliability of parts and code.
Most meters work around the same ideas just different code in their chips.
The code in the chips is the main thing you dont want others to get your hands on.
Such as the algorithm for power projection and advance read times and the ability to increase resolution without the need for expensive external hardware. But the circuits are most time rather basic.
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My thoughts exactly, I was just too lazy to type it all up lol. :thanks:
 
I guess I'll back off then, still feels off, but do what you feel is right.
 
bloompyle said:
I'm not saying that his laserbee has a patent. But in other words, are his build methods, and processes, techniques, blue-prints, arduino, coding, etc, are they covered/protected? I.E. if someone reverse-engineered a laserbee 2.5 USB unit, and built the EXACT same thing, and sold it under a different name, could said individual be prosecuted?
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I would think Laserbee could take legal action if it was the exact same,
but I don't know

[sarcasm]
If Jerry is woried about it,
He could offer to repair my laserbee for free. :p
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bloompyle said:
I'm not saying that his laserbee has a patent. But in other words, are his build methods, and processes, techniques, blue-prints, arduino, coding, etc, are they covered/protected? I.E. if someone reverse-engineered a laserbee 2.5 USB unit, and built the EXACT same thing, and sold it under a different name, could said individual be prosecuted?
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I just find it amusing that Jerry has made fun of me in the past about things involving mixing thermal epoxy and I find out his TECs are falling off and that this is not the only occurrence.

You do know that Jerry has basically purchased every single hobbyist LPM that has been sold here right? I don't think he buys them to help out the other sellers if you catch my drift ;)

If you are worried about me trying to pawn off fake bees you have nothing to worry about.
 
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