Laser pointer discussion. Read/write reviews of laser pointers and laser pointer companies. Learn about all types of laser pointers and lasers





Welcome to Laser Pointer Forums! If you are looking for a laser pointer or want to compare different laser pointer companies, you may want to check out the LPF Laser Pointer Company Database. The link will open in a new window for your convenience.








Green Laser Pointers by Category Blue Laser Pointers by Category Red Laser Pointers by Category
Yellow Laser Pointers by Category Violet Laser Pointers by Category Orange Laser Pointers by Category
Top Laser Pointers by Power - 1 Watt+ Top Laser Pointers by Power - 500mW+ Top Laser Pointers by Power - 250mW+
Laser Pointer Database High Power Laser Pointers Laser Pointer Diodes
Laser Technology Laser Pointer Parts Lasers by Wavelength
Top 10 Laser Pointer Companies Laser Pointer Company Database Visible Beam Laser Pointers


One laser store meets all your needs

























Go Back   Laser Pointer Forums - Discuss Laser Pointers > Lasers > Laser Measurements



LPF List of Laser Pointer Companies (link opens new window)



Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 02-05-2012, 10:50 PM #33
DTR's Avatar
DTR DTR is online now
Class 4 Laser
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: St. Louis MO
Posts: 5,482
Rep Power: 10819
DTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond repute
DTR DTR is online now
Class 4 Laser
DTR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: St. Louis MO
Posts: 5,482
Rep Power: 10819
DTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: SUPER FREAK "445nm diode"

Very nice catch you got there. I have seen a few 2W @ 1.5A as well and from what I hear Yob built one that is hitting over 2.5W. Would we think it is safe to say these are the 1.7W rated Nichia diodes yet and if so how would be prove that.


DTR is online now   Reply With Quote







LPF List of Laser Pointer Companies (link opens new window)







Old 02-05-2012, 11:05 PM #34
rhd's Avatar
rhd rhd is offline
Class 4 Laser
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 8,491
Rep Power: 1392
rhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond repute
rhd rhd is offline
Class 4 Laser
rhd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 8,491
Rep Power: 1392
rhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: SUPER FREAK "445nm diode"

Quote:
Originally Posted by lazeerer View Post
I got to say though that i think in the H Series projector that Rhd has been going through that will see more efficient diodes in the H series as common then in the M140. Increasing the chances of finding diodes like this. Thats just my gut feeling. To bad they are to expensive to Explore unless you get a good deal on them.

I cant wait to hear his findings.
It's interesting - I've said this to both Lazeerer and DTR before - but I don't really believe the H-series has different diodes than the M. I'm even going as far as to say that I believe if you bought an A-series that was manufactured TODAY (they're still making them), we'd get these same diodes in them.

I say this, because I just frankly don't think KasEO or Nichia would be binning millions of diodes. I know they could automate this step, but it wouldn't be the most reasonable approach to achieve what they want to achieve. Remember, as far as we're concerned, the projectors are actually under-driving these diodes. All they need to do to standardize lumen output, is fill an array up with diodes, install it in the machine, measure the "out-the-front" lumens, and adjust the overall array current +/- like 10% (maybe even less of a range) to make sure they get the expected lumens. Even the 3000 lumen projectors (vs the 2500) just push current a bit higher. And for that matter, the 3500 lumen (like my H series) or the 4000 lumen (like the H series a model up from mine) are just adding an additional 8 or 16 diodes (for 32 or 40 in total).

So logic is against the notion that these diodes are any different. It makes a lot more sense to me that KasEO buys huge batches from Nichia, and at some stage (around the time they incremented models and came out with the Ms), their previous batch was exhausted, and they transitioned to a new batch from Nichia. Since we know that Nichia has improved their diode, this new batch was the new diode, and the previous batch wasn't.

HOWEVER, this H series projector has been a better diode source than the M240. For one, there hasn't been a single "dud" (low efficiency diode) in the almost 20 I've tested so far. They have also been showing a higher average wavelength.

Quote:
Originally Posted by DTR View Post
Very nice catch you got there. I have seen a few 2W @ 1.5A as well and from what I hear Yob built one that is hitting over 2.5W. Would we think it is safe to say these are the 1.7W rated Nichia diodes yet and if so how would be prove that.
One way, would be to ask someone to dissect a dead M-series diode and look for the protective diode that is supposed to be somewhere inside the casing. I'm not sure what this would look like, but I do believe that it was a new addition in the NDB7875. If we found it, this would be proof positive. If we didn't, it *wouldn't* be proof negative however, because we know that the batch KasEO gets from Nichia departs from the datasheet when it comes to package size. So if the diode is there, that's a good indication that we've got the new diodes. If it isn't, that won't really tell us anything.
__________________
CURRENT WAVELENGTHS:
405|441|450|467|473|495|505|520|532|556|PGLRG|589|594|632|638|660


SAFETY & IMPORTANT READING (threads authored and contributed to by various members of LPF):
- Federal Aviation Administration - Laser Safety Initiative (link)
- Info release from Laserglow - Default Canadian restrictions on portable lasers (link)
- The Necessity of Safety Goggles (link)

rhd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2012, 11:12 PM #35
Garoq's Avatar
Class 3R Laser
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Southwest Utah
Posts: 1,430
Rep Power: 4982
Garoq has a reputation beyond reputeGaroq has a reputation beyond reputeGaroq has a reputation beyond reputeGaroq has a reputation beyond reputeGaroq has a reputation beyond reputeGaroq has a reputation beyond reputeGaroq has a reputation beyond reputeGaroq has a reputation beyond reputeGaroq has a reputation beyond reputeGaroq has a reputation beyond reputeGaroq has a reputation beyond repute
Garoq Garoq is offline
Class 3R Laser
Garoq's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Southwest Utah
Posts: 1,430
Rep Power: 4982
Garoq has a reputation beyond reputeGaroq has a reputation beyond reputeGaroq has a reputation beyond reputeGaroq has a reputation beyond reputeGaroq has a reputation beyond reputeGaroq has a reputation beyond reputeGaroq has a reputation beyond reputeGaroq has a reputation beyond reputeGaroq has a reputation beyond reputeGaroq has a reputation beyond reputeGaroq has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: SUPER FREAK "445nm diode"

RHD, the latest A-series that I harvested is yielding diodes very similar in output to the M-series.
__________________
Serving thousands of satisfied customers since 2010!


Survival Laser, Inc., 2113 W 850 N, Cedar City, UT 84721

Hosts AW Batteries Chargers Diode Drivers Laser Safety Goggles Lenses Accessories

U.S. customers store link>> http://www.survivallaserusa.com
International customers store link>> http://www.survivallaser.com

LPF member 10% everyday discount code = LPF445
Free shipping on US orders over $100 net
Free shipping on international orders over $200 net
Click here for great laser deals for our international customers

PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE BUILDING OR USING A HIGH POWER LASER!

7 Watt S4X Host/NUBM44 Diode/SXD Tutorial
C6 Laser Assembly Tutorial
How to Install a Blank Battery Contact Board Into a Drilled Pill
How to Solder a DTR Diode Module to a Survival Laser Driver & Pill Assembly
Installing and Testing the SL-SD-1/DX 26110 Driver in a C6 Pill
Garoq is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2012, 11:26 PM #36
lazeerer's Avatar
Class 3B Laser
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: CT
Posts: 3,664
Rep Power: 782
lazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond repute
lazeerer lazeerer is offline
Class 3B Laser
lazeerer's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: CT
Posts: 3,664
Rep Power: 782
lazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: SUPER FREAK "445nm diode"

Quote:
Originally Posted by rhd View Post
It's interesting - I've said this to both Lazeerer and DTR before - but I don't really believe the H-series has different diodes than the M. I'm even going as far as to say that I believe if you bought an A-series that was manufactured TODAY (they're still making them), we'd get these same diodes in them.

I say this, because I just frankly don't think KasEO or Nichia would be binning millions of diodes. I know they could automate this step, but it wouldn't be the most reasonable approach to achieve what they want to achieve. Remember, as far as we're concerned, the projectors are actually under-driving these diodes. All they need to do to standardize lumen output, is fill an array up with diodes, install it in the machine, measure the "out-the-front" lumens, and adjust the overall array current +/- like 10% (maybe even less of a range) to make sure they get the expected lumens. Even the 3000 lumen projectors (vs the 2500) just push current a bit higher. And for that matter, the 3500 lumen (like my H series) or the 4000 lumen (like the H series a model up from mine) are just adding an additional 8 or 16 diodes (for 32 or 40 in total).

So logic is against the notion that these diodes are any different. It makes a lot more sense to me that KasEO buys huge batches from Nichia, and at some stage (around the time they incremented models and came out with the Ms), their previous batch was exhausted, and they transitioned to a new batch from Nichia. Since we know that Nichia has improved their diode, this new batch was the new diode, and the previous batch wasn't.

HOWEVER, this H series projector has been a better diode source than the M240. For one, there hasn't been a single "dud" (low efficiency diode) in the almost 20 I've tested so far. They have also been showing a higher average wavelength.



One way, would be to ask someone to dissect a dead M-series diode and look for the protective diode that is supposed to be somewhere inside the casing. I'm not sure what this would look like, but I do believe that it was a new addition in the NDB7875. If we found it, this would be proof positive. If we didn't, it *wouldn't* be proof negative however, because we know that the batch KasEO gets from Nichia departs from the datasheet when it comes to package size. So if the diode is there, that's a good indication that we've got the new diodes. If it isn't, that won't really tell us anything.

Maybe C@s*0 is NOT binning them but maybe Nichia is before shipping them out. Dont they test there diodes.? If not it could be special request from C@s*0 and pay extra for this service. Just trying to keep an Open mind here.


If these are the New Diodes would there be any physical difference under a microscope of the die.? If they did add the protective diode we would need someone with a Microscope to examine and see if they can find it. I dont think it will be an easy Noticed.

However I do have a 1 very Low efficent M140 and id be willing to send it out to a member with a Microscope.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Garoq View Post
RHD, the latest A-series that I harvested is yielding diodes very similar in output to the M-series.
Hmm.
__________________


405nm 1013mW In Cree Z5 , 850mW LaserGLow Electra Mod , 583mW C3 BDR
445nm 3.6W Monster Freak TEC 9mm, 3.1W Fat Boy Build , 2.9W Big Stainless , 2.7W Big Black, 2W Arctic G2 , 1.8W C13
473nm 178mW CNI-PGL-III-C , 56mW CNI-PGL-III-C
488nm 52mW OPSL SAPPHIRE 488-50, 59mW SS Melles Griot BCD-50&BCD-25 35mW
515nm 83mW Direct Green Diode Fully Custom Host
532nm 617mW RPL Style , 213mW CNI-PGL-III-A , 120mW DIY SS C3
589nm 130mW CNI-PGL-III-A
594nm 13mW CNI-PGL-III-C
632nm 4mW HeNe
635nm 1130mW Fenix TK35 ML501P73 , 918mW Small Sun ZY ML520G71
650nm 1056mW Polished CNI-PGL-C Mod, 5W Custom Build Red Devil
658nm 430mW LOC 826 Brinyte A20 , LCC 390mW C3 3 mode
660nm 500mW SS LQ ignis
671nm 800mW PowerModulem, 9mW Black Pen
685nm 44mW MXDL 2x AAA Pen, 41mW, 130mW Stainless Shadow
780nm 127mW Pen
808nm 758mW Fire Dragon From DJNY
LPM's 2W/5W Ophir
SPECTROMETER - 390nm to 980nm



All My Reviews, Tips & Mods Are Here Now: >Reviews<


Check Out My YouTube Video's Here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/Lazereer

Last edited by lazeerer; 02-05-2012 at 11:42 PM.
lazeerer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2012, 12:01 AM #37
rhd's Avatar
rhd rhd is offline
Class 4 Laser
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 8,491
Rep Power: 1392
rhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond repute
rhd rhd is offline
Class 4 Laser
rhd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 8,491
Rep Power: 1392
rhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: SUPER FREAK "445nm diode"

I didn't have a ton of time this weekend, but I did manage to build with two of the H series diodes. I selectively picked two diodes that performed well at 1A of current in testing (I picked two that would do 1.4W of raw optical output for 1A of input, as read on an Ophir sensor). That said, about 1/3rd of the diodes I tested were able to perform in this range at 1A, so these two builds aren't necessarily the most powerful two diodes (ie, I didn't bin them at full 1.76A). These readings are with G lenses:

H series build 1:
H series build 1 - YouTube


H series build 2:
H series build 2 - YouTube
__________________
CURRENT WAVELENGTHS:
405|441|450|467|473|495|505|520|532|556|PGLRG|589|594|632|638|660


SAFETY & IMPORTANT READING (threads authored and contributed to by various members of LPF):
- Federal Aviation Administration - Laser Safety Initiative (link)
- Info release from Laserglow - Default Canadian restrictions on portable lasers (link)
- The Necessity of Safety Goggles (link)

rhd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2012, 12:13 AM #38
lazeerer's Avatar
Class 3B Laser
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: CT
Posts: 3,664
Rep Power: 782
lazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond repute
lazeerer lazeerer is offline
Class 3B Laser
lazeerer's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: CT
Posts: 3,664
Rep Power: 782
lazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: SUPER FREAK "445nm diode"

Yeah.^^^ Eat that. 2.7W+ peak. Thats Insane.

What are those running at.?
__________________


405nm 1013mW In Cree Z5 , 850mW LaserGLow Electra Mod , 583mW C3 BDR
445nm 3.6W Monster Freak TEC 9mm, 3.1W Fat Boy Build , 2.9W Big Stainless , 2.7W Big Black, 2W Arctic G2 , 1.8W C13
473nm 178mW CNI-PGL-III-C , 56mW CNI-PGL-III-C
488nm 52mW OPSL SAPPHIRE 488-50, 59mW SS Melles Griot BCD-50&BCD-25 35mW
515nm 83mW Direct Green Diode Fully Custom Host
532nm 617mW RPL Style , 213mW CNI-PGL-III-A , 120mW DIY SS C3
589nm 130mW CNI-PGL-III-A
594nm 13mW CNI-PGL-III-C
632nm 4mW HeNe
635nm 1130mW Fenix TK35 ML501P73 , 918mW Small Sun ZY ML520G71
650nm 1056mW Polished CNI-PGL-C Mod, 5W Custom Build Red Devil
658nm 430mW LOC 826 Brinyte A20 , LCC 390mW C3 3 mode
660nm 500mW SS LQ ignis
671nm 800mW PowerModulem, 9mW Black Pen
685nm 44mW MXDL 2x AAA Pen, 41mW, 130mW Stainless Shadow
780nm 127mW Pen
808nm 758mW Fire Dragon From DJNY
LPM's 2W/5W Ophir
SPECTROMETER - 390nm to 980nm



All My Reviews, Tips & Mods Are Here Now: >Reviews<


Check Out My YouTube Video's Here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/Lazereer
lazeerer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2012, 12:40 AM #39
Blord's Avatar
Class 4 Laser
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Belgium
Posts: 5,368
Rep Power: 870
Blord has a reputation beyond reputeBlord has a reputation beyond reputeBlord has a reputation beyond reputeBlord has a reputation beyond reputeBlord has a reputation beyond reputeBlord has a reputation beyond reputeBlord has a reputation beyond reputeBlord has a reputation beyond reputeBlord has a reputation beyond reputeBlord has a reputation beyond reputeBlord has a reputation beyond repute
Blord Blord is offline
Class 4 Laser
Blord's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Belgium
Posts: 5,368
Rep Power: 870
Blord has a reputation beyond reputeBlord has a reputation beyond reputeBlord has a reputation beyond reputeBlord has a reputation beyond reputeBlord has a reputation beyond reputeBlord has a reputation beyond reputeBlord has a reputation beyond reputeBlord has a reputation beyond reputeBlord has a reputation beyond reputeBlord has a reputation beyond reputeBlord has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: SUPER FREAK "445nm diode"

Ouch 2.7W laser power !!

It is just matter of time to find the hyper-efficient diode that gives 3Watt.
__________________
405nm 400mW S06J C6
445nm 3W Big Boy, 2.8W Dominator, 2.4W Steel Laser
450nm 240mW PL450 C6
473nm 100mW PGL-III-C-473
520nm 55mW Skylaser PL520
532nm 821mW Skylaser PL532, 133mW Jetlasers Ti-B
589nm 100mW PGL-III-C-589
635nm 70mW Sanyo SenTorch
638nm 175mW Ehgemus, 1W Rook
660nm 1216mW Skylaser PL660, 263mW LPC826 C6
685nm 33mW Fujitsu FLD6A2TK C6
780nm 150mW Dilda
808nm 640mW C6

I have copper 501B and Dominator lasers for sale !
Blord is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2012, 12:41 AM #40
DTR's Avatar
DTR DTR is online now
Class 4 Laser
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: St. Louis MO
Posts: 5,482
Rep Power: 10819
DTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond repute
DTR DTR is online now
Class 4 Laser
DTR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: St. Louis MO
Posts: 5,482
Rep Power: 10819
DTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: SUPER FREAK "445nm diode"

Quote:
Originally Posted by rhd View Post
I say this, because I just frankly don't think KasEO or Nichia would be binning millions of diodes. I know they could automate this step, but it wouldn't be the most reasonable approach to achieve what they want to achieve. Remember, as far as we're concerned, the projectors are actually under-driving these diodes..
Check this out on the PT-54's. I remember before seeing that they are binned @ the factory. Although for some reason they want you to contact them now to have access to the Datasheet I remember reading the PDF on binning and it said that they were all sold based on the binned wavelength and output. There were quite a few levels of binning that you could choose from. You can see the PDF on binning still exists even though they won't let you access it.
Luminus Devices: Color LEDs

This tells me that binning may be a pretty standard practice on LED"s and diodes so I would say there is a chance Nichia bins the diodes and sells them accordingly.

Also I do have some news. I have seen they have started putting markings on the blocks like they did with the A series. The M140's I got in my most recent batch all had M1 written in hand on the block as the A140's had X1 and A130's had B1.
DTR is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2012, 01:24 AM #41
rhd's Avatar
rhd rhd is offline
Class 4 Laser
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 8,491
Rep Power: 1392
rhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond repute
rhd rhd is offline
Class 4 Laser
rhd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 8,491
Rep Power: 1392
rhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: SUPER FREAK "445nm diode"

Quote:
Originally Posted by lazeerer View Post
Yeah.^^^ Eat that. 2.7W+ peak. Thats Insane.

What are those running at.?
They're running at ~1.75 A.

DTR: I can't remember if I mentioned this to you, but the H-series ditches the PT-54 in favour of the PT-121.

I ran 20A+ through the PT-121 and it survived. It took what I assume to be double that (and I say assumed because my DMM couldn't measure any higher) to kill the RED PT-121.

I still have the blue PT-121 and it is quite an impressive little emitter. The cabling to the PT-121s inside the projector was easily 10x the width of the cables used for the PT-54s. In fact, let me go grab a photo. BRB.

EDIT: Ok, off topic (completely), but here's what the PT-121s look like:
http://laserpointerforums.com/attach...1&d=1328495335
Attached Thumbnails
SUPER FREAK &quot;445nm diode&quot;-imag0191.jpg  
__________________
CURRENT WAVELENGTHS:
405|441|450|467|473|495|505|520|532|556|PGLRG|589|594|632|638|660


SAFETY & IMPORTANT READING (threads authored and contributed to by various members of LPF):
- Federal Aviation Administration - Laser Safety Initiative (link)
- Info release from Laserglow - Default Canadian restrictions on portable lasers (link)
- The Necessity of Safety Goggles (link)


Last edited by rhd; 02-06-2012 at 01:29 AM.
rhd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2012, 01:26 AM #42
DTR's Avatar
DTR DTR is online now
Class 4 Laser
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: St. Louis MO
Posts: 5,482
Rep Power: 10819
DTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond repute
DTR DTR is online now
Class 4 Laser
DTR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: St. Louis MO
Posts: 5,482
Rep Power: 10819
DTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond reputeDTR has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: SUPER FREAK "445nm diode"

Yep I have a green PT-121. It is an amazing unit. I have only been able to get 9A into it and it looked like it could handle a ton more. @ 9A it was insanely bright. Can't image 20A.

Last edited by DTR; 02-06-2012 at 01:27 AM.
DTR is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2012, 01:29 AM #43
lazeerer's Avatar
Class 3B Laser
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: CT
Posts: 3,664
Rep Power: 782
lazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond repute
lazeerer lazeerer is offline
Class 3B Laser
lazeerer's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: CT
Posts: 3,664
Rep Power: 782
lazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond reputelazeerer has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: SUPER FREAK "445nm diode"

Quote:
Originally Posted by DTR View Post
Check this out on the PT-54's. I remember before seeing that they are binned @ the factory. Although for some reason they want you to contact them now to have access to the Datasheet I remember reading the PDF on binning and it said that they were all sold based on the binned wavelength and output. There were quite a few levels of binning that you could choose from. You can see the PDF on binning still exists even though they won't let you access it.
Luminus Devices: Color LEDs

This tells me that binning may be a pretty standard practice on LED"s and diodes so I would say there is a chance Nichia bins the diodes and sells them accordingly.

Also I do have some news. I have seen they have started putting markings on the blocks like they did with the A series. The M140's I got in my most recent batch all had M1 written in hand on the block as the A140's had X1 and A130's had B1.
Exactly. This is what i meant above by saying most likely Nichia is binning them not c@s*0. They got to be. Why would they not. Its more benefit to them because they can sell them at premium price.

Most LED's are binned for sure. Look at XML LED's For Example, how many different bins are out there.

All produce a diffrent Max Brightness.

Iam still going on my gut feeling.


What do you think is the meaning behind the Markings.? Part of the binning.?



Edit:
Ive Hit the PT-54 Red LED with 14A with no Problem.!

In fact in my tri build with fresh cells it starts off at ~11 with regular DMM prongs. I can imagine that its close to 12-13A if i was using thicker wiring to test.
__________________


405nm 1013mW In Cree Z5 , 850mW LaserGLow Electra Mod , 583mW C3 BDR
445nm 3.6W Monster Freak TEC 9mm, 3.1W Fat Boy Build , 2.9W Big Stainless , 2.7W Big Black, 2W Arctic G2 , 1.8W C13
473nm 178mW CNI-PGL-III-C , 56mW CNI-PGL-III-C
488nm 52mW OPSL SAPPHIRE 488-50, 59mW SS Melles Griot BCD-50&BCD-25 35mW
515nm 83mW Direct Green Diode Fully Custom Host
532nm 617mW RPL Style , 213mW CNI-PGL-III-A , 120mW DIY SS C3
589nm 130mW CNI-PGL-III-A
594nm 13mW CNI-PGL-III-C
632nm 4mW HeNe
635nm 1130mW Fenix TK35 ML501P73 , 918mW Small Sun ZY ML520G71
650nm 1056mW Polished CNI-PGL-C Mod, 5W Custom Build Red Devil
658nm 430mW LOC 826 Brinyte A20 , LCC 390mW C3 3 mode
660nm 500mW SS LQ ignis
671nm 800mW PowerModulem, 9mW Black Pen
685nm 44mW MXDL 2x AAA Pen, 41mW, 130mW Stainless Shadow
780nm 127mW Pen
808nm 758mW Fire Dragon From DJNY
LPM's 2W/5W Ophir
SPECTROMETER - 390nm to 980nm



All My Reviews, Tips & Mods Are Here Now: >Reviews<


Check Out My YouTube Video's Here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/Lazereer

Last edited by lazeerer; 02-06-2012 at 01:44 AM.
lazeerer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2012, 01:42 AM #44
Dave934's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Franklin Nh
Posts: 43
Rep Power: 0
Dave934 will become famous soon enough
Dave934 Dave934 is offline
Member
Dave934's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Franklin Nh
Posts: 43
Rep Power: 0
Dave934 will become famous soon enough
Default Re: SUPER FREAK "445nm diode"

Excellent information, RHDWhen do you think you will do your first h-series build.
I can not wait for the rest of the results from your research
Dave934 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2012, 01:50 AM #45
rhd's Avatar
rhd rhd is offline
Class 4 Laser
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 8,491
Rep Power: 1392
rhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond repute
rhd rhd is offline
Class 4 Laser
rhd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 8,491
Rep Power: 1392
rhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: SUPER FREAK "445nm diode"

DTR: Where did you find a PT-121? (or did you just legitimately buy it?)

The array in the H-series was marked on a few of the components, not surprisingly, with an "H". It looked like a basic sharpie had been used.

One other comment - If you haven't actually seen the H-series up close (as I hadn't until it arrived), it's pretty difficult to grasp from the photos, just how freaking large it is.

Here's a comparison. You'll have to forgive me for only showing the cases (but I think that's a smart move). I've blurred the logo too, out of courtesy to Ave / KasEO. In a nutshell though, what you have is an A-series case (stuffed with socks since the projector is not inside) next to the H-series case (with the projector inside).



This is a VERY large and heavy unit. I'd estimate that its volume (displacement) is 6 to 8 times that of an A-series.
Attached Thumbnails
SUPER FREAK &quot;445nm diode&quot;-comparison.jpg  
__________________
CURRENT WAVELENGTHS:
405|441|450|467|473|495|505|520|532|556|PGLRG|589|594|632|638|660


SAFETY & IMPORTANT READING (threads authored and contributed to by various members of LPF):
- Federal Aviation Administration - Laser Safety Initiative (link)
- Info release from Laserglow - Default Canadian restrictions on portable lasers (link)
- The Necessity of Safety Goggles (link)

rhd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2012, 02:00 AM #46
Sigurthr's Avatar
Class 3B Laser
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Michigan's U.P.
Posts: 4,382
Rep Power: 873
Sigurthr has a reputation beyond reputeSigurthr has a reputation beyond reputeSigurthr has a reputation beyond reputeSigurthr has a reputation beyond reputeSigurthr has a reputation beyond reputeSigurthr has a reputation beyond reputeSigurthr has a reputation beyond reputeSigurthr has a reputation beyond reputeSigurthr has a reputation beyond reputeSigurthr has a reputation beyond reputeSigurthr has a reputation beyond repute
Sigurthr Sigurthr is offline
Class 3B Laser
Sigurthr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Michigan's U.P.
Posts: 4,382
Rep Power: 873
Sigurthr has a reputation beyond reputeSigurthr has a reputation beyond reputeSigurthr has a reputation beyond reputeSigurthr has a reputation beyond reputeSigurthr has a reputation beyond reputeSigurthr has a reputation beyond reputeSigurthr has a reputation beyond reputeSigurthr has a reputation beyond reputeSigurthr has a reputation beyond reputeSigurthr has a reputation beyond reputeSigurthr has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: SUPER FREAK "445nm diode"

My gosh... These diodes make my 1310mW one look like a wimp! Sure, it's only at 1200mA, but still!
__________________
Amateur Multispectral Photographer - [X-Ray, UV, Vis, IR]
Amateur Electrical Engineer
Autodidact
Tesla Coil Expert
Sigurthr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2012, 02:35 AM #47
rhd's Avatar
rhd rhd is offline
Class 4 Laser
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 8,491
Rep Power: 1392
rhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond repute
rhd rhd is offline
Class 4 Laser
rhd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 8,491
Rep Power: 1392
rhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond reputerhd has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: SUPER FREAK "445nm diode"

Alright, there might be something to the notion that the diodes are different across series.

Another build from this weekend was partially complete, and I got inspired to finish it up. This is a neat host because there's a tailcap that provides two modes (somehow - I'm assuming with an internal resistor inside the clicky, as there's no circuitry). At any rate, this one also peaks over 2.6W with a G lens.

H series build 3 - YouTube
__________________
CURRENT WAVELENGTHS:
405|441|450|467|473|495|505|520|532|556|PGLRG|589|594|632|638|660


SAFETY & IMPORTANT READING (threads authored and contributed to by various members of LPF):
- Federal Aviation Administration - Laser Safety Initiative (link)
- Info release from Laserglow - Default Canadian restrictions on portable lasers (link)
- The Necessity of Safety Goggles (link)

rhd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2012, 03:23 AM #48
Jacob32123's Avatar
Class 2M Laser
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: USA
Posts: 766
Rep Power: 178
Jacob32123 has a reputation beyond reputeJacob32123 has a reputation beyond reputeJacob32123 has a reputation beyond reputeJacob32123 has a reputation beyond reputeJacob32123 has a reputation beyond reputeJacob32123 has a reputation beyond reputeJacob32123 has a reputation beyond reputeJacob32123 has a reputation beyond reputeJacob32123 has a reputation beyond reputeJacob32123 has a reputation beyond reputeJacob32123 has a reputation beyond repute
Jacob32123 Jacob32123 is offline
Class 2M Laser
Jacob32123's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: USA
Posts: 766
Rep Power: 178
Jacob32123 has a reputation beyond reputeJacob32123 has a reputation beyond reputeJacob32123 has a reputation beyond reputeJacob32123 has a reputation beyond reputeJacob32123 has a reputation beyond reputeJacob32123 has a reputation beyond reputeJacob32123 has a reputation beyond reputeJacob32123 has a reputation beyond reputeJacob32123 has a reputation beyond reputeJacob32123 has a reputation beyond reputeJacob32123 has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: SUPER FREAK "445nm diode"

When do you estimate will we see the PT-121s for sale the the PT-54s are now?

Last edited by Jacob32123; 02-06-2012 at 03:23 AM.
Jacob32123 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply





Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


LinkBacks (?)
LinkBack to this Thread: http://laserpointerforums.com/f70/super-freak-445nm-diode-71285.html
Posted By For Type Date
DTR CASE 850 super SLE - Szukaj w Onet.pl This thread Refback 02-26-2013 07:31 PM
????????? This thread Refback 10-31-2012 01:18 AM










Loading








Green Laser Pointers by Category Blue Laser Pointers by Category Red Laser Pointers by Category
Yellow Laser Pointers by Category Violet Laser Pointers by Category Orange Laser Pointers by Category
Top Laser Pointers by Power - 1 Watt+ Top Laser Pointers by Power - 500mW+ Top Laser Pointers by Power - 250mW+
Laser Pointer Database High Power Laser Pointers Laser Pointer Diodes






Privacy Policy | Advertising Disclaimer | Terms of Use


 


All times are GMT. The time now is 10:09 AM.


Powered by: vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO
Privacy Policy | Advertising Disclaimer | Terms of Use
Copyright (C) 2017 Laser Pointer Forums, LLC