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Default Re: Laserbee raw output now visible in OSX environment

What does the println(Serial.list()) print out? It should print out a list of the devices available and their corresponding indexes. If it's still not working, put "0" (no quotes) in for the PORT in that line; Processing sometimes has some lame variable typing problems.


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...I didn't know you could do that. I'll need to look into it.

I'll start Googling things... if you have suggestions for required reading, I'm all ears.

Viva open-source.

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The only reason the Data stream seems to be Open Source is
because we don't hide the Data Stream Protocol or require
our EagleEye Software exclusively to make our LaserBee
products function properly....

Without the Luminosity software the Kenometer Pro or
Kenometer USB would not function as Data logging.
Other software could not be used without the 2 way protocol
being Open Source.

BTW... I have no qualms about you doing some data logging
Software for the LaserBee LPMs to work on MACs...
But I do have an objection to you blatantly competing with
our trademarked LaserBee Windows Eagle Eye™ Data Logging
Software.


@S_L the 2nd Word of the data steam is for our future use.
At the present time the 2nd word should not be used or counted
on as it's values could change in time with new products and
your software would become obsolete or incorrect.
I would suggest that you use the 1st Word as any valid mW
value.


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I don't see how an open source multi-platform logging program for your meters is upsetting you. You should be personally thanking Trevor for bringing your meters to Mac and Linux systems, if anything this should increase your sales.

Also if you manage to get datastream encryption of any modern standard on a PIC16F628A I will be fairly impressed
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I don't see how an open source multi-platform logging program for your meters is upsetting you. You should be personally thanking Trevor for bringing your meters to Mac and Linux systems, if anything this should increase your sales.

Also if you manage to get datastream encryption of any modern standard on a PIC16F628A I will be fairly impressed
Nice try but FAIL again...

As usual MM you only read every 3rd word..
Go back to my post and read ALL the words...

I said I have nothing against any LaserBee LPM Open Source
Data Logging software for the MACs...

BTW... I think Trevor can stand up and respond for
himself....I'm sure he understood what I wrote....


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The only reason the Data stream seems to be Open Source is
because we don't hide the Data Stream Protocol or require
our EagleEye Software exclusively to make our LaserBee
products function properly....

Without the Luminosity software the Kenometer Pro or
Kenometer USB would not function as Data logging.
Other software could not be used without the 2 way protocol
being Open Source.

BTW... I have no qualms about you doing some data logging
Software for the LaserBee LPMs to work on MACs...
But I do have an objection to you blatantly competing with
our trademarked LaserBee Windows Eagle Eye™ Data Logging
Software.


@S_L the 2nd Word of the data steam is for our future use.
At the present time the 2nd word should not be used or counted
on as it's values could change in time with new products and
your software would become obsolete or incorrect.
I would suggest that you use the 1st Word as any valid mW
value.


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That's being mW. The 1,1 in a single stream is a mW,mA
I think the developer already figured out that the Kenometer required a handshake from the hardware to data log. Your Laserbee just outputs a stream 0,0 which makes programming the
"freeware" Java applet straight wordward. There is even a DMM program that can read your data stream as well when set up properly the program is named "qtdmm".
If I may ask @Jerry, how is creating freeware competing with laserbee or JBauer? This is a graphing program used to see the data output by your hardware. Sorry, excuse my ignorance as I am not a programmer at all.
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Nice try but FAIL again...

As usual MM you only read every 3rd word..
Go back to my post and read ALL the words...

I said I have nothing against any LaserBee LPM Open Source
Data Logging software for the MACs...

BTW... I think Trevor can stand up and respond for
himself....I'm sure he understood what I wrote....


Jerry

Must you always have such a caustic attitude?

"But I do have an objection to you blatantly competing with
our trademarked LaserBee Windows Eagle Eye™ Data Logging
Software.
"

Competing would be an appropriate word if Trevor decided to sell this software for money, but open source kinda rules that out.

"BTW... I think Trevor can stand up and respond for
himself....I'm sure he understood what I wrote...."

I'm not allowed to have an opinion? Sorry master, I'll go back to my cage then
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Okay, so, thought I'd upload the current version to make sure this is compatible with the LaserBee-style datastream.

Windows 32-bit: http://raptureinnovations.com/projec...in32_0_2_1.zip
Mac OS X: http://raptureinnovations.com/projec...cOSX_0_2_1.zip

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Yes. it works perfectly on the Mac for displaying a graph, however...
The only thing I can see is that the top menu causes the applet to crash.
Also a print/record to Excel file could also be a good idea.
Change in resolution..

Jerry, I am going to seriously consider your Laserbee "5W" now that this applet is released.
- The box and cable.
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But I do have an objection to you blatantly competing with
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Software.
Here are my questions for you:

1) Why do you not want your Windows customers to have access to free software?
2) In what way am I competing for business?
3) Am I taking customers away from you?
4) Am I harming your business in any way at all?
5) Most importantly, how does the presence of Peregrine concern you for the future of your line of LPM's?

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Yes. it works perfectly on the Mac for displaying a graph, however...
The only thing I can see is that the top menu causes the applet to crash.
Also a print/record to Excel file could also be a good idea.
Change in resolution..

Jerry, I am going to seriously consider your Laserbee "5W" now that this applet is released.
- The box and cable.
May it boost sales.
Oh, you mean the bar at the top of the screen that Mac OS X has? I'll have to look into that... that's not implemented at all in the program. Gotta figure out how to handle (or ignore ) the input from that.

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Here are my questions for you:

1) Why do you not want your Windows customers to have access to free software?
2) In what way am I competing for business?
3) Am I taking customers away from you?
4) Am I harming your business in any way at all?
5) Most importantly, how does the presence of Peregrine concern you for the future of your line of LPM's?



Oh, you mean the bar at the top of the screen that Mac OS X has? I'll have to look into that... that's not implemented at all in the program. Gotta figure out how to handle (or ignore ) the input from that.

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yup thats the menu. It seem to quit the applet (bomb).
The response time is actually really good Trevor. I am totally impressed!
Also, I do like the 5W laserbee, and seen one demoed on another forum, but this was the missing piece. The software. I think Many MacOS and Linux users will now flock to the laserbee.
.. The applet could be scalable too. Only runs 240x320 box. I think from here I may give my skills a whirl. Again I am not a programmer, but I have created stand alone apps before for multmedia projects.
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4) Am I harming your business in any way at all?
5) Most importantly, how does the presence of Peregrine concern you for the future of your line of LPM's?


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1) Our Windows LaserBee customers are already supplied
with a FREE copy of our full featured
EagleEye™Windows
Data Logging Software.


2) I said you are competing with our Windows software that is
already supplied with our products. Not directly with our business
unless you include Branding...

3) It has to do with you developing a Windows Software product
to compete with our FREE Data Logging product that already exists
and is bundled with our product. That costs us branding...

4) refer to 2 and 3 above

5) my question to you would be what are you looking to accomplish
developing a competitive Free Windows Data Logging Software
when the full featured FREE EagleEye™ Windows Data logging
Software a is already bundled with our LaserBee Products... other
than aiming to reduce our branding efforts/investments...

I've already conceded and agreed that the MAC/Linux Data Logging
is a good idea and I would even point customers to the MAC/Linux
data logging solutions that members would come up with...

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yup thats the menu. It seem to quit the applet (bomb).
The response time is actually really good Trevor. I am totally impressed!
Also, I do like the 5W laserbee, and seen one demoed on another forum, but this was the missing piece. The software. I think Many MacOS and Linux users will now flock to the laserbee.
.. The applet could be scalable too. Only runs 240x320 box. I think from here I may give my skills a whirl. Again I am not a programmer, but I have created stand alone apps before for multmedia projects.
That MAC/Unix solution looks promising...



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1) Our Windows LaserBee customers are already supplied
with a FREE copy of our full featured
EagleEye™Windows
Data Logging Software.


2) I said you are competing with our Windows software that is
already supplied with our products. Not directly with our business
unless you include Branding...

3) It has to do with you developing a Windows Software product
to compete with our FREE Data Logging product that already exists
and is bundled with our product. That costs us branding...

4) refer to 2 and 3 above

5) my question to you would be what are you looking to accomplish
developing a competitive Free Windows Data Logging Software
when the full featured FREE EagleEye™ Windows Data logging
Software a is already bundled with our LaserBee Products... other
than aiming to reduce our branding efforts/investments...

I've already conceded and agreed that the MAC/Linux Data Logging
is a good idea and I would even point customers to the MAC/Linux
data logging solutions that members would come up with...



That MAC/Unix solution looks promising...



Jerry
Yes, and I am impressed how fast the laserbee outputs the data through the RS232-USB adapter. It is an excellent start. The graph function works well too.

- Jerry, again, I think that the intentions here about making a new piece of software for laserbee and other LPMs, is to allow people the flexibility to use a number of platforms to do calibration and measurements. Your Windows software works great, and there is no need to program another app to run windows. (excessive) but I totally see a reason for Unix, Linux and MacOSX porting.
Again all of this work is SUPPOSED to be opensource. (entails) freely available and free and open to modifications. It wouldn't be owned by a person, but rather group ownership.
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1) Our Windows LaserBee customers are already supplied
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Why wouldn't you want your customers to have access to more options?

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2) I said you are competing with our Windows software that is
already supplied with our products. Not directly with our business
unless you include Branding...
Quote:
3) It has to do with you developing a Windows Software product
to compete with our FREE Data Logging product that already exists
and is bundled with our product. That costs us branding...
Why is a free software package developed by a college student so concerning? After all, you are a registered Canadian company that has already paid for professional software to be developed.

There's no way that free software from a college student could harm you in any way, right?

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5) my question to you would be what are you looking to accomplish
developing a competitive Free Windows Data Logging Software
when the full featured FREE EagleEye™ Windows Data logging
Software a is already bundled with our LaserBee Products... other
than aiming to reduce our branding efforts/investments...
The goal? A fully cross-platform universal datalogger to communicate with OpenLPM, Radiant Electronics products, and LaserBees. A lot of people would benefit from the availability of an open-source project like that.

Earlier, you said that the Kenometer USB/Pro requiring Luminosity to datalog was a negative thing - implying that the LaserBee line is superior in that it doesn't require particular software to do datalogging.

Is it required to use EagleEye to datalog a LaserBee product, or is it not?

If the answer is "yes," then you are conceding that the LaserBee / EagleEye combination is just like the Kenometer / Luminosity combination you were jabbing at earlier.

If the answer is "no," then we actually have no problem here, and I would appreciate it if you would stop cluttering this thread.


Relevant to the rest of the thread: I'm heading out this weekend to be embedded media with the cadets while they run training operations. I'm working on cleaning up the current source, and it should be available sometime next week.

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Must you always have such a caustic attitude?

"But I do have an objection to you blatantly competing with
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Competing would be an appropriate word if Trevor decided to sell this software for money, but open source kinda rules that out.
No, that is not correct. Does Linux compete with Windows? "Open source" does not imply anything about a lack of competition, only a different model for software information rights. Some open source software can even be used to poison other software licenses with their own licensing restrictions (such as the GPL).

"Free" software can also be used to competitive advantage by undermining a commercial product. Look at Open Office. Look at Mozilla Firefox. Look at what Microsoft did to Netscape with Internet Explorer. These are products that have undermined their commercial competition by providing a free product that dilutes the market share of their competitors.
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Why wouldn't you want your customers to have access to more options?





Why is a free software package developed by a college student so concerning? After all, you are a registered Canadian company that has already paid for professional software to be developed.

There's no way that free software from a college student could harm you in any way, right?



The goal? A fully cross-platform universal datalogger to communicated the OpenLPM, Radiant Electronics products, and LaserBees. A lot of people would benefit from the availability of an open-source project like that.

Earlier, you said that the Kenometer USB/Pro requiring Luminosity to datalog was a negative thing - implying that the LaserBee line is superior in that it doesn't require particular software to do datalogging.

Is it required to use EagleEye to datalog a LaserBee product, or is it not?

If the answer is "yes," then you are conceding that the LaserBee / EagleEye combination is just like the Kenometer / Luminosity combination you were jabbing at earlier.

If the answer is "no," then we actually have no problem here, and I would appreciate it if you would stop cluttering this thread.


Relevant to the rest of the thread: I'm heading out this weekend to be embedded media with the cadets while they run training operations. I'm working on cleaning up the current source, and it should be available sometime next week.

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Totally agree with you on this Trevor. I too assumed this was a completely free platform data logger application for use with laserbees and other like-devices.
Open source and freely distributed. This is adding functionality to a product is it not?

I have no idea why this is a drama producer.

Can we be friends? My hope, in the beginning was that an app could be made to help people running
OSX, Linux ... etc see and have the same abilities as those people running the original application (win32).

It actually assists "JBauer" laserbee products!

Again why must we fight like kids? We are after all adults, correct?

Sorry for even starting this thread.....

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I agree with Trevor 100%.

This just makes me wanna buy a USB meter my self even more!
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