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Default KenoMeter Pro-USB / Eagle Eye™ Development Project

The Kenometer PRO and Kenometer USB
Data Logging Upgrade Project


Yes... as usual... we've been busy.

Legal

It should be noted that J.BAUER Electronics is the copyright holder for this
LUM-B-GON Firmware/Hardware design and Eagle Eye™ Software Code.
It was written entirely from scratch by J.BAUER Electronics and/or it's agents.
The Hardware design and Firmware and Source Code remains the Intellectual
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Introduction

This project was born out of need to add more advanced Data Logging functions
to our own Kenometer PRO and by the requests of Kenometer owners that
have contacted us in the past.
Using the original Data Logging software was just not cutting it for us with the
incessant multiple mouse clicks required just to record a session. There was also
a Zeroing problem that had been discussed on the Forum in another Thread that
would requiring rebooting to get ride of the erroneous readings of the original
Software. I'm not sure if that issue has been addressed.

We had many requests to have our Full Featured Eagle Eye™ Windows PC
Data Logging software run on the Kenometer PRO and Kenometer USB LPMs.

Since we own a Kenometer Pro... we did not want to change the Firmware of
our Kenometer to be able to use our Eagle Eye™ Software nor did we want
to Design new software at an increased cost to us and eventually
the end user.


Contributions

We always get into a project on our own steam. We are after all professionals.
We never ask for contributions or financing up front. The quality and useability
and worthiness of the end work product should speak for itself...


Improvements

Just being able to use our full featured Eagle Eye™ Software has made significant
progress in improving the ease of use of our Kenometer PRO with the full access
Data Logging features of Eagle Eye™.

No more locking up of the original Data Logging software when using its baffling
Software Zero Reset instead of a Firmware Zero Reset function.

To accomplish this project we merely read the rather simplistic and unnecessary
in in our opinion.. 2 way communication protocol between our Kenometer PRO
and the original 2 way Data Logging software.

We then designed a small prototype board with 2 small ICs... 1 Transistor...
1 Resonator... 1 transistor... 2 caps and 7 resistors.

All that needs to be connected is 4 wires to the Arduino and the output of
our
prototype LUM-B-GON connects to the Eagle Eye™ software by RS232
or USB.
The complete circuit draws a mere 3.2mA from the 5V buss and is
powered by the Arduinio PCB in the Kenometers.


It can be built small enough to fit right inside the Kenometers without SMD
parts.



To Do

Produce Pics and Schematics to share with Kenometer owners and the Forum...

Nothing else.... It is a functioning interface between any Kenomerter PRO or
Kenometer USB LPM.


Features

Makes Data Logging simple and Full Featured for the Kenometer PRO and USB.
Allows you to use our full featured Eagle Eye™ Data Logging software.


Conclusion

This project has come to fruition...
I'll post some pics and a schematic of the circuit in the near future.

There is a programmed (by J.BAUER Electronics) Microcontroller used to do all the
hard work.
It intercepts the Kenometer Unlock data and then takes the Laser Power Reading
Data from the Kenometer once unlocked and translates it to useable code for our
Eagle Eye™ software.
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Default Re: KenoMeter Pro-USB / Eagle Eye™ Development Project

Sounds like a rather convoluted way to do things. An entire board with an MCU on it just to "override" the handshake and allow for a firmware level zero? Why not just write new firmware like you had originally said you were going to do? This would eliminate the need for another board to be soldered into the LPM.

The original handshake protocol was not exactly top secret or encrypted in any way. A simple sending of one character via serial is all that is needed to "unlock" the data stream.
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Default Re: KenoMeter Pro-USB / Eagle Eye™ Development Project

Cheaper and easier to just implant the handshake inside your pc software and not have another mcu. Seems like a waste of extra hardware and extra costs for no reason.
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Sounds like a rather convoluted way to do things. An entire board with an MCU on it just to "override" the handshake and allow for a firmware level zero? Why not just write new firmware like you had originally said you were going to do? This would eliminate the need for another board to be soldered into the LPM.

The original handshake protocol was not exactly top secret or encrypted in any way. A simple sending of one character via serial is all that is needed to "unlock" the data stream.
It is because we decided to respect your Intellectual Property not Hack
the original Kenometer since it was your IP design not ours.
It didn't seem ethical to Hack your Intellectual Property.. (IE Firmware) .
So we did the intefaceing outside of any duirect IP Hacking..

Then why even use it.....

BTW... that is not the way to unlock the Kenometers...

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Cheaper and easier to just implant the handshake inside your pc software and not have another mcu. Seems like a waste of extra hardware and extra costs for no reason.
We hired a company to develop our EagleEye software.. It was
not cheap. I can't see the need for hundreds of these circuits to
invest in modifying a working Data Logging platform.

This is a much cheaper solution. Our Total cost of parts was about
$3.00


Thanks for your input just the same....


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I think your knowledge of IP and relating laws and ethics are greatly flawed.

Writing software for something you own and bought with your hard earned cash is completely ethical.

"Hacking" doesn't need to have a negative connotation to it. It leads to great discoveries, innovation, and education.

Hacking != Illegal.

The pursuit of knowledge is amazing.
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I think your knowledge of IP and relating laws and ethics are greatly flawed.

Writing software for something you own and bought with your hard earned cash is completely ethical.

"Hacking" doesn't need to have a negative connotation to it. It leads to great discoveries, innovation, and education.

Hacking != Illegal.

The pursuit of knowledge is amazing.
Sharing that specific Hacked Knowledge is not...

We may be selling our modified Kenometer Pro...and/or the
extra programmed Arduino MCUs we purchased from Trevor
in perhaps two other one-of-a kind "PRO type" LPMs that will
incorporate this circuit to be used with our Eagle Eye™
Software.

But we will not stoop so low and openly share the direct Data
we gained from reverse engineering the 2 way "security"
communications of the Kenometer Pro/USB.

This circuit is a way of using our full featured Eagle Eye™
data logging Software without revealing the exact process in
decoding the 2 way protocol or Reverse Engineering the PRO
or USB Kenometers.


We feel that is the right thing to do....


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So... your saying that the right thing to do is to decode it using propitiatory hardware, so you can sell it for profit, and not tell anyone else how to so that you can sell your board. That seems more unethical than sharing knowledge freely, to me.
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It didn't seem ethical to Hack your Intellectual Property.. (IE Firmware) .
So we did the intefaceing outside of any duirect IP Hacking..


So... in your opinion:

Software hacking = unethical/illegal/disrespectful
Harware hacking = fine
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I must admit, there seems to be a little bit of logic FAIL here..but anyway..
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So... your saying that the right thing to do is to decode it using propitiatory hardware, so you can sell it for profit, and not tell anyone else how to so that you can sell your board. That seems more unethical than sharing knowledge freely, to me.
No... I guess I didn't make myself clear enough....
If you had actually read what I posted post I stated that I
would share the Schematic so that any member could build
their own. I'll even supply a parts list..

Where did I say I will sell the this for profit.... Your putting
words in my mouth that I didn't say...

Where is sharing with the Forum community proprietary...

@ Cyp....

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So is the code also available for the MCU?
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No... that protects you guys (the Kenometer Team) and our
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I'll be offering pre-programmed MCUs at a modest cost to
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It's like designing a stand to put your TV on rather than have it sit on the floor....
How is software hacking any different?
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How is software hacking any different?
^^ Was thinking the same question. The only difference I see is since this is software he will get to make a profit off of selling it to you preprogrammed on an MCU all in the name of protecting someone else's IP.
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^^ Was thinking the same question. The only difference I see is since this is software he will get to make a profit off of selling it to you preprogrammed on an MCU all in the name of protecting someone else's IP.
It's really simple... because we don't modify or
Hack the "TV" to acomplish this project..

If it doesn't interest you there are many other
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It's really simple... because we don't modify or
Hack the "TV" to acomplish this project..
Is the meter different after the modification, or is the meter different after the modification?

If I add a cable-descrambler chip to the TV, is the TV different, or is the TV different?
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