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Old 08-09-2010, 06:33 PM #1
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Default Please post info on WL "+ 18650 1300mAh -" cells

Anything helps. I'm curious if these batteries are a better chemistry, leading to the "malfunctions" that people are experiencing. Not to mention 1300mAh capacity when chinese brands are holding over 2000mAh is a big red flag....

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Edit: also, if you have a scale that is accurate to a 10th of a gram, please weigh this cell. You can post results or PM me. Thanks!



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Default Re: Please post info on WL "+ 18650 1300mAh -" cells

1300mAh? LOL. I'm only getting about 1/2hr before all 3 Arctic lights go out. Then it takes ~1/hr to completely charge.
Either the Arctic indicates "empty" at 1/2 charge or the battery is closer to 700mAh. Either case would be very possible.

I'm not even sure theyr'e protected so I don't want to go and over discharge one thinking it has a cutoff somewhere.
Just buy a decent battery, I guess. You can get 2X Ultrafire for <$10 or one premium battery for ~$10-$12
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Default Re: Please post info on WL "+ 18650 1300mAh -" cells

more like 15$ for an AW"s 18650.
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Default Re: Please post info on WL "+ 18650 1300mAh -" cells

Thing is, I've not seen a 1300mAh 18650 before. Even if that were the capacity of the cell you manufactured, wouldn't you just say it's 2400mAh, like everybody else?

Perhaps if someone has one of these batteries that they don't want anymore, they might donate it to the cause while I research a way to tell whether these are ICR or IMR...
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Default Re: Please post info on WL "+ 18650 1300mAh -" cells

LG makes one:
ICR18650HA1 LG 18650 1300mAh 3.6V High Power Battery Cell products, buy ICR18650HA1 LG 18650 1300mAh 3.6V High Power Battery Cell products from alibaba.com

Looks like a few other people do too. They appear to be LiMn2O4 or LiNiCoMn2O4 based.
They also look like they can deliver 20A-30A of continuous discharge current. (For portable tool power)

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/32...2O4_18650.html
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Default Re: Please post info on WL "+ 18650 1300mAh -" cells

yes, lazybeam, that's what I was getting at. These cells are either a better chemistry or... well, I don't know, 1300mAh is dismal, even for china....

LG has pink wraps, doesn't it?

Again, people wiht these lasers, please post info, pics, whatever! Many of us can actually guess the manufacturer from seeing the topside of the cell.

I wonder how many of these have been thrown away after user is told that their battery is crap?
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Default Re: Please post info on WL "+ 18650 1300mAh -" cells

Yeah, Mine cam shipped with 3.7 in it, and indicated 1 bar on the laser.

I use my SoShine Protected rechargeable 18650. Rated 2800mAh

Not yet experimenting issues with my chinese green battery, but I just got my arctic, so I'll use it and let you all know!

Is it SAFE to stick 2800mAh cells into a laser that comes with 1300mAh? I did that with my Rayfoss green and the LED indicator died. I figured maybe the led was over-clocked anyways, and was going to die either way...
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Battery capacity doesn't change a thing.
You could put a 10,000mAh battery in there with no bad effect as long as the cell is 3.7v

As shipped, mine indicated 0 bars on the laser so I charged immediately. After charging, it showed 3 bars.
Does your 2800mAh SoShine battery indicate many bars on the laser?
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Battery capacity doesn't change a thing.
You could put a 10,000mAh battery in there with no bad effect as long as the cell is 3.7v

As shipped, mine indicated 0 bars on the laser so I charged immediately. After charging, it showed 3 bars.
Does your 2800mAh SoShine battery indicate many bars on the laser?
Well, at 3.7V it indicated 0 bars, but the issue, the positive is sticking out, and its longer. So the laser doesn't shut properly. at all. Any good high amp flat-tops?

because I had it in my other 445nm laser for a long time. They do last quiet a long time...I use it for my 200mw green, I havnt replaced the battery since I got the laser 4 months ago, and I use that laser a lot...

Arctic battery is about 6.5mm
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TheTeslaWarrior, if your talking to me, no. I'm saying my SoShine has a (+) nub, and its protected, so its a little bit longer in the laser. Not sure if I'll use it or not, I know SOMETIMES a bad quality laser will damage the spring, but these lasers do feel rather durable.

I cant even get over how fricken big this laser is...
12 5/8 oz or 357grams is a bit for a laser too :P
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TheTeslaWarrior, if your talking to me, no. I'm saying my SoShine has a (+) nub, and its protected, so its a little bit longer in the laser. Not sure if I'll use it or not, I know SOMETIMES a bad quality laser will damage the spring, but these lasers do feel rather durable.

I cant even get over how fricken big this laser is...
12 5/8 oz or 357grams is a bit for a laser too :P
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yeah its pretty crazy
Just read up on the 6063-T6 metal, Strong stuff. Can handle 27,000PSI minimum...
6063 Aluminum (available in Angle, Channel, Pipe, Rectangle, Rectangle Tube, Round, Square Tube, Tube)

Anyways, I plan to probably use my SoShines. 1300 vs 2800mAh is going to be a bit of a difference...
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Just read up on the 6063-T6 metal, Strong stuff. Can handle 27,000PSI minimum...
6063 Aluminum (available in Angle, Channel, Pipe, Rectangle, Rectangle Tube, Round, Square Tube, Tube)

Anyways, I plan to probably use my SoShines. 1300 vs 2800mAh is going to be a bit of a difference...
It's common 6061-T6 aluminum. Typical 42,000 psi tensile strength.
PS... tensile strength is not the "pressure" that the tube can hold.
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It looks like the arctic was only made for flat tops. Any ones with nubs (even non-protected) dont fit fully (cap doesnt go on all the way)

Any rechargeable protected ones that have flat ends?
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You will find that the protection circuit adds on at least 1mm, but more like 2mm.

You aren't going to dispose of that 1300mAh cell, by chance, are you?
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Default Re: Please post info on WL "+ 18650 1300mAh -" cells

I can provide pics of whichever part of this battery you desire, but through email as I don't wanna mess with uploading them. Also I will be getting rid of this battery since my arctic is dead and even if it wasn't dead, I trust my LG's way more.
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