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Old 10-28-2010, 01:50 PM #1
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Default blanking LM317 + green module

hi, I'm currently modding my spiro and I want to add PWM to the laser. I want to use this schematic (with other transistor)


I need to blank green module + LM317 voltage regulator (set to 3.3V). the laser has it's own driver (LM317 just lowers the voltage)
is it possible (safe) to connect it like this? I don't wanna kill my green module


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Uhm, that one don't look as a current regulator, it look more as a voltage regularor, are you sure it can drive correctly your LD ? ..... in this configuration, there's no current limiting .....
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I know I use LM317 to lower the voltage from 12V to 3.3V for the module. it's an DX 30mW green WITH its original driver
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Default Re: blanking LM317 + green module

Oh, understood.

Then, just use a transistor (NOT like in your schematic) for pull down the adj pin to GND, for blank it.

I mean, the transistor go in parallel with the trimmer, not in serie, emitter on GND and collector on ADJ pin ..... also, place a 100Kohm resistor between base and GND of the transistor (it's always a good thing to do, when you use a transistor as switch), and the R between the 555 and the base can be anything from 2 to 10 Kohm ..... the transistor can be any NPN common unit, like BC337 or any equivalent, in this configuration, it take at maximum 15 or 20mA.

But remember, LM317 cannot be blanked to zero, without a negative reference ..... it can go at minimum to 1,2V, not less.
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Default Re: blanking LM317 + green module

so I need to do it like this:

at 1.2V it won't lase, so that's ok - and it shouldn't damage the laser... right?
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Right, this will blank the LM317 to 1,2V all the times the 555 have positive output, and give you the voltage you set with the trimmer all the time the output from pin 3 of 555 is zero.
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Default Re: blanking LM317 + green module

I don't think LM317 can be switched so fast.
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How much fast ? ..... i tried them with 10KHz, and they work decently ..... still not tried with thigher frequencies, anyway .....

Also, it depend from the capacitors that are on the original driver of the module ..... if it have 4,7uF or more, this for sure reduce the efficency of the PWM switching a lot, cause the energy stored in the capacitors will "feed" the diode also in the milliseconds when the LM317 is blanked ..... they can be changed, ofcourse, but being SMD components, it require some care and attention .....
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just noticed the problem so can I remove that capacitor? (and replace it with eg. 100nF?) I should be able to do it...
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so I need to do it like this:

at 1.2V it won't lase, so that's ok - and it shouldn't damage the laser... right?
I have tried a similar setup, using an NPN open-collector arrangement with the LD wired collector (-) to +3V6 (+).

I also added a resistor across the transistor C and E to provide a "bias" voltage to the LD, resistance selected to obtain just below the lasing threshold. 12 ohms in my case with a DX 200mW module. This is required to ensure the DPSS module and inbuilt regulator are always running so to speak. Results are ok. The schematic here should work equally as well.

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Also, it depend from the capacitors that are on the original driver of the module ..... if it have 4,7uF or more, this for sure reduce the efficency of the PWM switching a lot, cause the energy stored in the capacitors will "feed" the diode also in the milliseconds when the LM317 is blanked ..... they can be changed, ofcourse, but being SMD components, it require some care and attention .....
In my experience, the small amount of C is insignificant when the DPSS module draws 200+mA. The stored energy is quickly spent.

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well in my case this small cap causes the line not look like - - - - but it is constant line and it's only dimming (and that's bad). so after removing that cap it should look like this - - - -
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Driving frequency ?

Anyway, yes, if it's just dimming, without show interruptions, then maybe it's the 10uF capacitor (usually 10uF, at least) that keep it "half-on" ..... maybe is enough to substitute the capacitors with 100nF or less .....

Also, check for the ceramic one in parallel to the LD (some units have one), that can be also 2 or 3 uF, instead a 100nF one ..... my o-like 170mW module have, as example, a 10uF (marked A106) at the input, and a 3,3uF (ceramic, without any marks) on the LD ..... and also, considerate that the driver try to keep the current constant also when the voltage drop (until a certain point, at least), so, must be "blanked" the maximum possible, for be sure that it turn off (cause you are not blanking the module, you are blanking the power supply) ..... this can be obtained easily, anyway, if you have a pair of 1N400x diodes ..... place them in serie, on the positive of the module, then regulate the trimmer til you have your 3,3V on the module ..... this way, when the LM317 go blanked til 1,2V, this voltage drops on the diodes, and the module get zero .....

An extreme alternative can be "add" a TTL modulation input on the module driver, but this require a little bit of work with a SMD PCB, and to know the module schematic ..... and i don't know what is exactly the schematic of your module ..... if you have a pair of "macro" pics of the driver, front and back, i can try to see if i can get the schematic and find the points where work, but can't promise anything, before see it ..... if the driver have an 8 pins IC (the op-amp, usually), it's relatively easy, but if it have one of those "chip-ic" molded with a dome of resin, it's almost impossible, cause there's no way for know for sure what the contacts are .....
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I removed 10uF cap and replaced it with 100nF one. now it's correct again thanks for the help
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