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The "Sun Shiner" (a triple MT-G2 build that pushes the definition of "practical")

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The "Sun Shiner" (a triple MT-G2 build that pushes the definition of "practical")

The "Sun Shiner"

I wanted a ridiculously, impressively, and nearly uselessly bright flashlight. I didn't need something practical. I have lots of practical flashlights. You can buy practical flashlights at Costco. I wanted something impressive, and the 9x, 12x, and 15x CREE XML flashlights I've purchased online just didn't do it. So I decided to make something better :)

It started out as this - a 3x18650 flashlight from KaiDomain that ran 3x XML emitters and cost a not-so-cool $45. It was arguably ugly, and used a momentary switch (tied to a junky driver) instead of a proper toggle switch. When it arrived almost entirely non functional, I didn't even care... because I only wanted its body ;)

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With the addition of a proper toggle switch, and some dedication to stripping and polishing, the ugly black host, became this:

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Of course, it's not just about whats on the outside, the guts had to go too. I pulled the 3x XML LEDs and replaced them with 3x MT-G2 emitters. These beasts can handle 5A at 7V each, without feeling much pain (and I'm sure others have driven them substantially harder).

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I had decided to run them at *only* 3A instead of 5A, but for those keeping track, this still meant over 60W of input power. It was clearthat supplying enough current to these LEDs would require a snappy driver setup, and some good quality cells. On the driver front, I pulled from the the laser realm, where we've done a lot more to miniaturize driver tech than they have in the flashlight community. I decided to use 3x of my own buck drivers, each set to supply 3A of current. The drivers are supplied in parallel from a set of 3x 18650 cells in series. I'm using Panasonic 18650s (but not NEW Panasonic 18650s - those are still in the mail).

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It was a very tight fit. I don't know why I bothered heatsinking the driver ICs in retrospect, because the build generates enough heat from the LEDs to justify a shutdown long before IC heat will be an issue.

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The obvious question is "how bright is it???"

The following photos don't do it justice. I wanted something that would be brighter than my 12x and 15x XML lights, and I certainly accomplished that. From the photos, the Sun Shiners looks "a little bit brighter" than the 12x and 15x lights. In person/reality, it looks twice or three times as bright to my eye (not to mention the fact that colour is MUCH more natural).

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I have some of the new 10A Panasonic cells in the mail. By my math, 3x of them in series, at 11.1V nominal, would just about be capable of supplying enough input power for buck drivers to supply 15A of output to these LEDs at a Vf of ~7V. Now that I have a working 5A buck, I'm tempted to swap out the 3A bucks in here now, and try the higher current, fed by the newer Panasonic cells. That said, the current setup is already far beyond the realm of being practical, and it's hard to imagine this getting any brighter.... so I might just leave it be ;)
 

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Re: The "Sun Shiner" (a triple MT-G2 build that pushes the definition of "practical")

but, will it pop a balloon?

Seriously though, I think it's definitely bright :) how's the beam on those? I'm guessing it's more of a flooder because of the large emitters?
 

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Re: The "Sun Shiner" (a triple MT-G2 build that pushes the definition of "practical")

but, will it pop a balloon?

Yes - quite easily in fact :)

Seriously though, I think it's definitely bright :) how's the beam on those? I'm guessing it's more of a flooder because of the large emitters?

More of a flooder yes - but it's the most even/uniform output I've ever seen in a flashlight :)
 
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Re: The "Sun Shiner" (a triple MT-G2 build that pushes the definition of "practical")

Wow that stripped and polished light looks really nice.

Is the switch handling all that current?
 

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It appears he changed the switch since it looks different from the one in the store pic :)

I would like to see something like that in person just to see tons of light from a small handheld. How many lumens is it estimated to put out?
 
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Re: The "Sun Shiner" (a triple MT-G2 build that pushes the definition of "practical")

Awesome build RHD,

It would be great to see your 5A driver hit the LPF market.

It appears he changed the switch since it looks different from the one in the store pic :)

I would like to see something like that in person just to see tons of light from a small handheld. How many lumens is it estimated to put out?

Each MT-G2 in theory will put out just over 2000 lumens each when driven at 3A.

With three emitters that's a rough estimate of 6000 OTF lumens :D

See this post at BLF for the numbers: Emitter Test Results
 
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Re: The "Sun Shiner" (a triple MT-G2 build that pushes the definition of "practical")

Is the switch handling all that current?

Nope, I swapped in a proper toggle switch.

How many lumens is it estimated to put out?

That's a dangerous game. I could say "6000 lumens" because it's three 2000 lumen emitters. But I'd be lying, because I'm not pushing them as hard as they could be pushed, and, because those numbers are never real measures of output.

On the other hand, I could be conservative, but then everyone who is used to trusting crazy chinese lumen estimates would think this build is underpowered.

I'll say this - the 15x XML light that I compare this to in the beamshot photos, is sold as a 18,000 lumen light, and the Sun Shiner is substantially brighter. Are either of the two actually 18,000 lumens? Nope.
 
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Re: The "Sun Shiner" (a triple MT-G2 build that pushes the definition of "practical")

That's a monster, I like it :eg:

Interesting to see the different color temps from the emitters.

Great work.
 
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Re: The "Sun Shiner" (a triple MT-G2 build that pushes the definition of "practical")

Could also think of it this way:

You've sacrificed efficacy for a nice tint.... And yet it is still way brighter!

Who says you can't have your cake and eat it, too?
 
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Re: The "Sun Shiner" (a triple MT-G2 build that pushes the definition of "practical")

From one flashaholic to another I say super nice build, and go with the 5A drivers.
Lets see what that puppy can really do. :>)
 
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Re: The "Sun Shiner" (a triple MT-G2 build that pushes the definition of "practical")

Wow, and not even at full working current either...Sweet project RHD :beer:
I agree with Will, i hope we see those drivers of yours hit "the market" sometime!
 

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Re: The "Sun Shiner" (a triple MT-G2 build that pushes the definition of "practical")

Everytime i see something lately from your projects i'm like damn, this is one big monster, every-time!!!
 
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Re: The "Sun Shiner" (a triple MT-G2 build that pushes the definition of "practical")

X2 on sinners comment.
That's one heck of a build!
What are you using as a switch?
MOSFET or standard analog?

Nice job!!
 

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Re: The "Sun Shiner" (a triple MT-G2 build that pushes the definition of "practical")

Everytime i see something lately from your projects i'm like damn, this is one big monster, every-time!!!

Thanks!

X2 on sinners comment.
That's one heck of a build!
What are you using as a switch?
MOSFET or standard analog?

Nice job!!

It's just a heavy duty metal on/off switch (large lugs). I had to file off the threading to make it fit, but otherwise, it's just a typical beefy switch.
 




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