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Default Warning letter gotten from C***O in re 445s

see this at PL-- those selling my want to leave the makers nameand model number off anything readable by the public-- eekbay may have already pull 445 listings.

Threat letter from casio's attorney - BUTZEL LONG

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Wow. Casio getting irked then. Maybe they've been, "asked", to try to be more active in prohibiting people getting their hands on them?

This AND the tri-wing screws?

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Wouldn't be hard to get around the c***o thing. just say

"These diodes came from a well known brand of video projector. They are Nichia brand 445nm diodes, that will do around a watt"

anyone in the know will immediatly put 2 and 2 together and work out they were harvested from the famous goldmine for these diodes.

next up they will R&D their own screws that cannot be backed out with common tools, use red threadlocker and need a special screwdriver only available in the C***o repair department. Drill time!
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Default Re: Warning letter gotten from C***O in re 445s

I understand their stance on calling them "casio" diodes if they are produced by a third party and then used by casio, but do they have any legal grounds to demand him to stop selling the diodes? Especially when they themselves just said they did not manufacture the diodes?

I don't see how they would have any legal grounds at all....

If he buys the projector, it's his, he owns it. If he wants to rip it apart component by component, that's his decision.

Once he rips it apart and takes the diodes out, Casio has nothing to do with the diodes. They do not own them, they did not manufacture them. They are OEM products under the ownership of the consumer and FDA regulations do not apply to bare diodes or OEM products.

I would still go see my lawyer though before i got mouthy with them.....I'm sure Casio has more money to waste in court than this guy does.

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Wouldn't be hard to get around the c***o thing. just say

"These diodes came from a well known brand of video projector. They are Nichia brand 445nm diodes, that will do around a watt"

anyone in the know will immediatly put 2 and 2 together and work out they were harvested from the famous goldmine for these diodes.

next up they will R&D their own screws that cannot be backed out with common tools, use red threadlocker and need a special screwdriver only available in the C***o repair department. Drill time!
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Hope you are right--Moh--remember the 'letter' then the 'visit' did you expect that to happen?

I choose to not use thier name from now on. I have been seeing C***O being used for some time now instead of spelling it out-- now I know why.
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What do the 2 attachments say? I am not a member so I can't see them. Just curious.
I thought anyone could look at the posts as a visitor.

basically it said to quit harvesting and using the company name etc etc
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I can see the post but not the attachments, it tells me that I am not authorized and need to sign in to see the attachments.
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Hope you are right--Moh--remember the 'letter' then the 'visit' did you expect that to happen?

I choose to not use thier name from now on. I have been seeing C***O being used for some time now instead of spelling it out-- now I know why.
That was way different though. Blatantly breaking the law.

Other than stating that the they are "C***O" diodes, i don't think he is legally doing anything wrong. I am not a lawyer though, and my above posts were mere speculation based on my assumption of the law. He should just go in for a legal consult...it's worth the money.....maybe he can just trade the lawyer a consult for a couple of diodes
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Just checked out 445nm on Feebay and it looks like biz as usual- no mention of the Co. name in any of the titles but some do have the model # in thier title and a few mention the Co, name in thier discription. Some have been avoiding using the name from day one with statements like this--'quote)This auction is for a 1000mW 445nm laser diode, extracted from a brand new laser based DLP projector. copyright laws prevent me from listing the brand name but i can tell you it is a major name brand and the same one i have sold hundreds of!! '.This auction is for a 1000mW 445nm laser diode, extracted from a brand new laser based DLP projector. copyright laws prevent me from listing the brand name but i can tell you it is a major name brand and the same one i have sold hundreds of!! .end of quote

98 hits on feebay -diodes-labbies-lenses- etc.

lawyers send threat letters that they cannot back up all the time- its not against the law to do it.

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I do not see how harvesting parts from something you buy could be against the law.

Just curious, is there any mention of removing the casing or replacing parts in the manual? Typically there is and the consequences of doing so are typically stated as "will void warranty". I have never seen a manual that sites "will break the law".

These Cease and Desist letters are written to frighten the bejesus out of the recipient and they typically do. Not that I would actively fight back, my pockets are not that deep.

I can see this leading to sales advertising very non-specific details and relying on buyers in the know understanding what is on offer.

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They should use '1W Crapio A140 445nm diode' instead.
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Default Re: Warning letter gotten from C***O in re 445s

This letter is as much about using the Casio name in sales as it is about the sales themselves, it seems.

So it gets into multiple areas of law: trademark law (The Casio name is certainly a trademark), FDA-related radiation control law, etc. If you indeed do fall under the FDA's definition of a manufacturer in your extraction/reselling activities, then point i) on the letter is valid.

Remember there are multiple different facets of intellectual property law, and they all mean different things. Copyright law, trademark law, patent law are all related, but are all different. I believe the foremost of Casio's concern with that letter is trademark.

But I think Casio's lawyers sent the letter mostly because of point ii). They clearly think i) is a problem as well, but the real reason they wrote the letter was what they said in point ii). Using Casio's name in ebay sales of these diodes is definitely a problem, and Casio has every right to stop that practice.

So if you want to sell the diodes extracted from the projectors, definitely leave any association with Casio out of it completely.

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