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I thought it was only illegal for the company importing it into the US.
Not illegal for me to possess the product once here in the US.
Another words, not illegal for the recipient.

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Another bit of misinformation. Should you buy a visible light laser without all of the FDA safety requirements for Class 3b-4, from China; have it shipped to your house, that makes you the importer. It also subjects you any and all illegalities against the law if you are a US citizen. Owning a laser class 3b or class 4 is not federally illegal yet to the best of my knowledge. Some states have their own laws regarding minors and ownership. Check the FDA or CDRH sites one will have the information.


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Just a note when you buy a product that product is yours to do with what you want. For example gearheads. If you choose to modify it or use part(s) to make something else and talk about the modification or other uses there's nothing illegal with that. A company to the best of my knowledge has no legal recourse in that case.
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Another bit of misinformation. Should you buy a visible light laser without all of the FDA safety requirements for Class 3b-4, from China; have it shipped to your house, that makes you the importer. It also subjects you any and all illegalities against the law if you are a US citizen. Owning a laser class 3b or class 4 is not federally illegal yet to the best of my knowledge. Some states have their own laws regarding minors and ownership. Check the FDA or CDRH sites one will have the information.
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The whole discussions is useless! I'm quite sure that everyone who has bought such a diode knows what he's doing. Yes, laser are dangerous - especially this power level and wavelength. There's no real difference between a well focused 400mW BlueRay and the new 445nm 1000mW diodes... both have to be handled very very very very carefully. Again, I'm sure 99.999% of the guys who have such diodes think a lot about safety!

So, please stop this discussion...

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That is not true. Anyone can buy the WL Arctic, and everyone has! The people who buy the diodes you can trust with them, but when a company starts selling assembled lasers for a very cheap price to the general public, the general public knows crapall about laser safety!

Infact, now that WL have advertised it as a lightsaber, no doubt people will be waving them around like one.

Doesn't really matter much longer anyway, WL will be forced to remove them from the market soon enough.
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i wonder if people went throught the same thing when green lasers began to become cheaper and more powerful back in the day.
No, not at all. Only moaning was the price and a total lack of reliability. There were patents and thus licensing fees driving costs up as well.

But then the idea of a pointer was a bar code hene tube with a battery pack, and red diodes only came at 671 nm, at perhaps 5 mW max. A red diode at that time cost more then a hene.

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I think the real reason PL closed off their 445nm thread was because numerous members on there have said they have called the FDA, Casio, ATF, WL, etc and complained and let them know what WL is doing and how dangerous that is.

Also since Jan 2010 they have posted about the Casio projector there too.......so I think they really closed it to distance themselves from it for awhile, after all you can't call all the authorities about it and post a how to.

I've been following the PL threads for awhile now and there are other members on here that are on PL for sure too. They don't like it when you talk it about and are quick to say Oh yea that's a LPF member for you.

I seriously doubt there are any real legal reasons. Also PL stated they were told that Casio will be pulling the projectors soon for "Safety reasons", don't really know though.

Oh did anyone see today Best Buy Father Days Sale? Hey Dad or Grad, how about a great deal on a Casio Projector seriously there on sale now.

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Default Re: Distant early warning... 445nm to be banned soon?

The fellow I work for was a speaker at the recent Infocom Projection Summit. He told me that the Casio projector was said to be having problems with the lasers burning the phosphor. That's all he said. Perhaps there are more issues behind the corporate screens than we know!
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So sounds like there might be some truth to it then? The reason they stated doesn't even have to be the real issue, but it would be enough to pull them for safety. Then say they come back out again and it no longer has a removable array or worst yet, they make so if you try it will destroy the diodes making them worthless; I can think of a couple of ways they can accomplish that.
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So sounds like there might be some truth to it then? The reason they stated doesn't even have to be the real issue, but it would be enough to pull them for safety. Then say they come back out again and it no longer has a removable array or worst yet, they make so if you try it will destroy the diodes making them worthless; I can think of a couple of ways they can accomplish that.
The array is designed to be replaced as a complete unit. It would be very easy to accomplish what you have suggested.

It is also designed to be insanely easy to replace the laser array. Perhaps Casio already foresaw problems with the array.

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So nobody has a crystal ball for sure, but I wonder in light of this, would it make sense to grab one in it's current configuration?
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^Yup. Although if you return or give up the item you will avoid prosecution.

Back in like 05 I bought a 60mW green laser from LaserGlow. It cost me over 520 bucks (thats what they cost back then). After I finally received it I got a letter from the FDA saying that the unit had slipped through customs and that I was to redeliver it to customs. It was a freakin nightmare dealing with all that crap. After many letters back and forth I was able to return it to Laser Glow and get a refund so long as I proved to the FDA that I did indeed return it.






If Wicked and NOVA draw anymore attention to themselves then customs is going to start cracking down again and some of you may have to deal with the FDA like I did. Since then I've never imported another laser. My CNI PGL-III-A I bought from Lucent Optics based in the US. My other 532nm Lasers I bought from members on this forum. And then rest are DIY builds.

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Thank you for sharing that, it is very sobering.
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Can't blame you Dave, which one(s) did you the XJ-A130 or XJ-A140?
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Can't blame you Dave, which one(s) did you the XJ-A130 or XJ-A140?
I got the less expensive 130. 1W is plenty powerful enough for anything I'm going to be doing with them. Plus, we really don't know yet if the diodes in the 140's array is any different than the diodes in the 130's array.

The part numbers refer to the lumens rating of the different arrays. However, it is still possible that these are simply "binned" for output. I have not opened a 140 to be able to know if there is any internal differences in the projectors.

There are 230, 240 and some other models in this line as well. I, personally, doubt that they have several different diodes being used to account for the difference in output.

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