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Old 11-15-2011, 08:59 AM #1
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Default Confused by Lazerer.com 445nm offerings...

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They seem to have the same or almost same lazer at like 3 different prices...
Cyber 445nm 1w Focasable Water Proof
950-1100mw gauranteed 45 sec/60 sec cycle time runs off 2x16340 battery at $139.99

Stick 445nm 1mw Focusable
Gaurantee 950-1100mw 60/60 seconds cycle time 2x16340 batteries at $134.99

Rifle 445nm 1w FOcusable
950-1100mw guaranteed 60/60 cycle times 2x16340 battiers at $169.99

Cyber 445nm 1.2w Focusable Water Proof
Gauranteed overspec >1200mw 45 sec/60 sec cycle times and runs off 2x16340 at $159.99

So they have 3 that are 445nm guaranteed 950-1100mw at 3 different prices... and 1 1.2mw overspec guaranteed that is cheaper then one of the 1mw... This makes me question if I should trust ordering from them.... Anyone explain why they have such similar products with different prices and if they are trustworthy to order from?


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Default Re: Confused by Lazerer.com 445nm offerings...

Also all the info on the lazerer site says they use 2 of the 16340 batteries but under the Reviews section on this forum I saw several reviews of "Rifle445" that say they were using a single 18650(which I would prefer) ...

So do the lasers use the 2x16340 or do they work with 1 18650.... I have several 18650 and charger already...

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Default Re: Confused by Lazerer.com 445nm offerings...

Some hosts are more expensive to make than others. thats why the rifle is more money, plus it comes with a lense kit. lazerer is really trusted on the forum so I dont think you have anything to worry about. they also sell a 18650 with charger seperately - 18650 Battery + Charger Set
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Default Re: Confused by Lazerer.com 445nm offerings...

The 16340 is half the size of the 18650 if that wasn't clear. So you could put 1 18650 or 2 16340's in there. However I'm not sure how the voltage of the 18650's would affect how the laser works since it would be so far below the working voltage. It says that its rated for 7.2Volts, which is approximately 2 16340's.
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Default Re: Confused by Lazerer.com 445nm offerings...

the rifle is a very fancy host which is why it is the most expensive, it is the only one with lens attachment
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Default Re: Confused by Lazerer.com 445nm offerings...

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The 16340 is half the size of the 18650 if that wasn't clear. So you could put 1 18650 or 2 16340's in there. However I'm not sure how the voltage of the 18650's would affect how the laser works since it would be so far below the working voltage. It says that its rated for 7.2Volts, which is approximately 2 16340's.
Thats part of what confused me... I am well versed in battery chemistry and usage of Alkaline, Nihm(eneloop) rechargeables, Lithium Primaries, and Lithium Ion...

Lithium Ions(16340 and 18650 in this case) are 3.7v so 2 of them would be 7.4v which exceeds the operating voltage Lazerer has listed in specs for most of their lasers. This would theoretically be damaging the driver/circuit or just shortening the lifespan of said electronics since its above the rated voltage level.

Most of my experience with the different battery types comes from Flashlights and LED modules. A typical dual power source led module might have an operating voltage of 6.0-7.4v and be able to work off 2 primaries or 2 lithium ion so it could use your standard CR123 or the RCR123 that have higher voltage rating. Or you could have one that accepts 2 CR123 @ 6v OR 1 Lio Ion 18650 @ 3.7 so it would have to have an operating voltage of 3.7-6.0v minimum.

Anyway thats a bit of a ramble but it just goes to show that I understand the batteries and differing voltages and I am confused by Lazerer saying they take 16340's but reviews say 18650 AND ALSO I just noticed that they dont even sell 16340s on their website(unless I missed em) and only offer 18650+charger.

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Default Re: Confused by Lazerer.com 445nm offerings...

There lasers used to run on 1x 18650, but the output was too low. They've been redesigned to run on 2x 16340 @ 7.2v so they are not being ran beyond the voltage spec, nor are they dual voltage. 7.4v as you put it, 2x 3.7v is based on no load, the driver can and does easily handle this, and runs @ 7.2v as stated. These are not flashlights, the driver here are much different. I too have a huge flashlight collection, but that is a different topic.

There are posts on here somewhere that already has that info. Also you refer to 1mw, which laser is that one? I'm not familiar with that one from them. I have the 1.2W waterproof model and it indeed puts out 1.233W's. The differences between the models is mostly the style of the host, thus the slight price differences. The rifle445 uses 2x 16340 and no longer uses a single 18650, the "old" design did but was only putting out around 800mw if I remember correctly.
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No doubt that this laser is work on 2 x 16340. The driver board have a voltage tolerant. 7.4v is just a standard specificaion. While this laser is designed for two 16340. I can't find any reason that customer should operate it with other battery type such as CR123A etc....

The reason that you see some review of our blue laser are running on single 18650 because they are using our old driver board, which have been found will not draw sufficient current to achieve the desired power. That's why we decided to use two 16340 driver broad to guarantee the power output. All our blue laser is guarantee over 950mW now ( normally overspec ). All our 1.2W laser is guarantee overspec.

For the question on price different on different model. I think SerpantSlayer has answered quite clear. The cost of making RIFLE host is much more than other model. That's why it is the most expensive.

Lastly responding to problem on the retail of 16340. We will update our web site as soon as possible to provide more battery type for sell. btw if you purchase the battery upgarde pack together our laser, we will send the correct battery type according to the model so please don't worry.

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Thats part of what confused me... I am well versed in battery chemistry and usage of Alkaline, Nihm(eneloop) rechargeables, Lithium Primaries, and Lithium Ion...

Lithium Ions(16340 and 18650 in this case) are 3.7v so 2 of them would be 7.4v which exceeds the operating voltage Lazerer has listed in specs for most of their lasers. This would theoretically be damaging the driver/circuit or just shortening the lifespan of said electronics since its above the rated voltage level.

Most of my experience with the different battery types comes from Flashlights and LED modules. A typical dual power source led module might have an operating voltage of 6.0-7.4v and be able to work off 2 primaries or 2 lithium ion so it could use your standard CR123 or the RCR123 that have higher voltage rating. Or you could have one that accepts 2 CR123 @ 6v OR 1 Lio Ion 18650 @ 3.7 so it would have to have an operating voltage of 3.7-6.0v minimum.

Anyway thats a bit of a ramble but it just goes to show that I understand the batteries and differing voltages and I am confused by Lazerer saying they take 16340's but reviews say 18650 AND ALSO I just noticed that they dont even sell 16340s on their website(unless I missed em) and only offer 18650+charger.

Blah I need to stop typing.
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I prefer 18650 above 16340's but it makes completely sense to power this kind of mW's with 16340's With the flashlight like hosts i prefer 2x 18650.. That gives you the best of two worlds

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Default Re: Confused by Lazerer.com 445nm offerings...

Hi İbrahim,

This laser work on 2x16340 only. Single 18650 will not provide enough voltage. Yes I send to Turkey. Thanks for your attention. Have a nice day.

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