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For one, it keeps this post off the radar. Google searches for 'c@$10 laser' spelled the normal way yield a high number of forum posts even from this forum. Let's not make it easier for them to find us plotting against them? I think a forum wide auto-replace would not be a bad idea right about now since they started throwing around legal threats.
We are not plotting against them. They are plotting against us. All we are doing is fighting for our right to do what we want with OUR PROPERTY!

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HELP PLEASE---

ii just ordered another a-140 and i asked if it was going to be from the same 'batch' That BUY.COM had when I ordered
and got my last one- on Oct 11- I have 24 hours to cancell the order-- so what I am =asking is--Has anyone gotten one from Buy.com(Calf.) in the last 3 weeks that was potted-- my last one did have the tri-wing screws and a tad more lock-tite on the threads but I had no probs , however if the one I just ordered has the array potted I would maybe be wanting to return it- which will cost me the return shipping-- I know that one member just got one from Newegg that was potted and he returned is a defective- Also the cost for this one went up by 50+$ -- which I will have to pass on to my customers in the form of a 2$ increase- but I would be pissed if I had to deal with a potted array--- anybody got info on this??

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the chances of it being potted are slim to none. just relax and get to it.
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For one, it keeps this post off the radar. Google searches for 'c@$10 laser' spelled the normal way yield a high number of forum posts even from this forum. Let's not make it easier for them to find us plotting against them? I think a forum wide auto-replace would not be a bad idea right about now since they started throwing around legal threats.
I'm all for auto replace. String searching using the fuzzy functions will still find it. Once its found and defined, its a direct target because its now a defined pattern. We all know whats being referred to and calling it a C or N pretty well kills a search as its looking for only a C. How many words start with a C?
Still, doesn't prevent being "moled".
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What a stupid problem to endure for some of the smartest people I have encountered.
Cassholio could get by with a sticker on the back of the array saying "by removing/disassembling this component you are violating the proper care and use of this product" or something more legally defined and they would be covered in court by declaring this is against their recommended use of the product.
A 5 cent sticker would be easier to deal with than a PITA potting epoxy. ^_^
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Its not just the projector company being difficult, legally they have to do this as part of what is called "due diligence". IN many jurisdictions (such as California) there is a legal doctrine called "deep pockets".

If you harvest diodes from a piece of equipment and build a laser, then you fry neighbor's kids eyes out THEY can sue the equipment maker. Even though you are 99.999999% at fault the manufacturer can still face punitive civil damages if they KNEW the diodes could be harvested and used in a manner that is dangerous to the general public and failed to take steps to remedy that. They can also be liable for actual damages because they have the "deep pockets" to actually pay for a retinal transplant.

Yes it sucks, but that is how tort law works in many areas.

The doctrine of due diligence requires that they take reasonable steps to protect themselves from product liability lawsuits, if they do NOT, then they can also be sued by their investors for lack of due diligence.

Now... in other countries, especially China, such doctrines are very weak or don't exist, which is why Chinese companies will sell you stuff like 1W lasers and poisoned dog food.
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That is such a crock. No wonder we are in the shape we are.
So, someone burns your house, using Exxon gasoline, and doesn't have the money to pay damages. You sue Exxon for making the gasoline since they have "deep pockets".
It wasn't being used for its intended purpose. That means gasoline needs a "marker" included so it only burns in situations it was intended for or they are responsible?
Give me a break. That's a jury I want to be on!
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and got my last one- on Oct 11- I have 24 hours to cancell the order-- so what I am =asking is--Has anyone gotten one from Buy.com(Calf.) in the last 3 weeks that was potted-- my last one did have the tri-wing screws and a tad more lock-tite on the threads but I had no probs , however if the one I just ordered has the array potted I would maybe be wanting to return it- which will cost me the return shipping-- I know that one member just got one from Newegg that was potted and he returned is a defective- Also the cost for this one went up by 50+$ -- which I will have to pass on to my customers in the form of a 2$ increase- but I would be pissed if I had to deal with a potted array--- anybody got info on this??

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TBH I have yet to see anything other than hearsay regarding potted projectors. No pics, no firsthand accounts (other than one person), no one else has had that problem that I've seen. I could have missed something of course, but to my knowledge that is how things stand.
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I agree, we don't have any proof or first-hand accounts that the projectors are any different than before. We will soon, but not yet.

And Hakzaw, you can always return the projector. You may be out $50 shipping, but that's the cost of taking a risk. If you want a risk-free purchase, then you'll have to wait until it's confirmed that the new batch of projectors is potted or not.
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That is such a crock. No wonder we are in the shape we are.
So, someone burns your house, using Exxon gasoline, and doesn't have the money to pay damages. You sue Exxon for making the gasoline since they have "deep pockets".
It wasn't being used for its intended purpose. That means gasoline needs a "marker" included so it only burns in situations it was intended for or they are responsible?
Give me a break. That's a jury I want to be on!
It happens with gun manufacturers, they get sued because dumb people use guns for dumb things. Some mail order knife companies will not sell knives to residents of California because they can be sued if that knife is used in a crime.

Congress can exempt or limit certain industries from liability. For example, you can't sue a cellphone company if you get brain cancer, and you can't sue power companies if you get cancer from living under a high tension power transmission line.

I'm not defending it, but you have to understand this to know why C... is doing what they are doing. It costs money to add special screws and epoxy, there is zero short term benefit in doing that. If they are sued by someone who is blinded by a homebrew laser they have a defense, they can show they did due diligence and acted as a "Good Corporate Citizen" to try and keep us from making lasers from their equipment.

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I agree, we don't have any proof or first-hand accounts that the projectors are any different than before. We will soon, but not yet.

And Hakzaw, you can always return the projector. You may be out $50 shipping, but that's the cost of taking a risk. If you want a risk-free purchase, then you'll have to wait until it's confirmed that the new batch of projectors is potted or not.
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Too late now- order is in-- sales rep at bydotcom assured me it would be the same as the one I got three weeks ago- but I am not sure he was sure. I will know in 5 days-

BTW they upped the price on 140s by 50+$-- just in time for Xmas I guess.
Another LPFer just got 140s from N#w#gg and it was NOT potted-- so maybe that report was bogus--? a poser from Clapio raining on a parade mayhaps??

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I understand you arent defending it. It's just the more I think abt it, the more ridiculous situations I come up with.

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I find it hard to believe they will seal them in in such a way they cannot be removed. If 1 or 2 fail they cannot expect a customer to purchase a new unit. Deterrent screws I could see as a CYA. Not much more. Go Dremel!
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Default Re: Casio seems to be potting projectors

As you guys may have seen I received their newest model today fresh from the factory according to the person I talked to at projectorpeople.com. If they were potting them it should have had it but it did not. So at this point I think somebody was selling us pork pies and a bag of trout.

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I find it hard to believe they will seal them in in such a way they cannot be removed. If 1 or 2 fail they cannot expect a customer to purchase a new unit. Deterrent screws I could see as a CYA. Not much more. Go Dremel!
I'm very cynical, and I could see a company doing that and just charging a customer to replace the entire array if one diode fails, and then destroying the entire array.

Consider the crap that Apple pulls with the ipods, and other icrap
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