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Re: *445nm lasers* !diodes 38.50$!

Flourescence is the absorbing of light energy and subsequent release of adifferent wavelength. Typically, but not always, a more energetic wavelength is absorbed (possibly an invisible wavelength) and a lower energy wavelength is released. Efficiency aside, this is why flourescent materials typically appear very bright - they must emit more light at a lower energy than incident light at high energy to balance out the wavelength conversion. In the real world, flourescent things often have trace phosphorescence because the light conversion is not "instantaneous". ALthough it's so quick humans can't percieve it and might as well be considered instant.

Phosphoresence is the time-delayed release of light. As mentioned before, many things phosphoresce without us recognizing it because it happens so quickly... but material that takes a noticably long time to release asorbed energy as light are especially classified as phosphorescent. The wheel in the projector, while it may or may not have any noticable phosphorescence, certainly is intented to work under the principle of flourescence... take the very high energy wavelengths actively produced and convert them to much "brighter" longer wavelengths.

A few years ago I did quite a bit of research on optical coatings for high altitude and near-orbit vehicles... the idea being that you could take wavelengths of the AM0 spectrum your vehicle might absorb and get the material to throw off that light (energy) in a different wavelength. So your vehicle might emit more light than it can reflect across the whole spectrum thereby increasing the cooling (anti-heating) effect. Up high in the thin atmosphere convection is greatly reduced and you have to rely on the reflectance and emittance of your materials for cooling.
 
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Re: *445nm lasers* !diodes 38.50$!

You have more diodes, if you have please send a PM for me, thanks
 
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Re: *445nm lasers* !diodes 38.50$!

i am back home.
okay so the projector is due here on wednesday around 12-3pm according to ups.
I have a decision to make tho.
I ordered all the packaging stuff i would need.
esd bags envelops and containers.
i kinda thought about it and after i put them in esd bags i dont need esd foam its redundant.
but my containers are aparantly due here on the 9th.
So.
i can ship your laser out in just the bag and bubble mailer with some added stuffing for protection
or...
i can wait till the 9th once my containers get here and ship them out then.
I am trying to scavenge for something around the house to hold the lasers but nothing comes to mind.
as i am heat sealing my esd bags shut i can make them very small.
to the point i could fit a them into a bottle cap and line the bottle cap with stuffing that way it is esd protected by the bag and shock protected by the stuffing and crush protected by the plastic cap.
 
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Re: *445nm lasers* !diodes 38.50$!

What kind of containers did you find & can I ask where you got them from?
 
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Re: *445nm lasers* !diodes 38.50$!

I'll bid $10 on a focus assembly with motors. $5 on the FS mirrors.
 
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Re: *445nm lasers* !diodes 38.50$!

i am back home.
okay so the projector is due here on wednesday around 12-3pm according to ups.
I have a decision to make tho.
I ordered all the packaging stuff i would need.
esd bags envelops and containers.
i kinda thought about it and after i put them in esd bags i dont need esd foam its redundant.
but my containers are aparantly due here on the 9th.
So.
i can ship your laser out in just the bag and bubble mailer with some added stuffing for protection
or...
i can wait till the 9th once my containers get here and ship them out then.
I am trying to scavenge for something around the house to hold the lasers but nothing comes to mind.
as i am heat sealing my esd bags shut i can make them very small.
to the point i could fit a them into a bottle cap and line the bottle cap with stuffing that way it is esd protected by the bag and shock protected by the stuffing and crush protected by the plastic cap.

I think the diodes are mechanically quite strong, apart from the possibility of their leads getting bent. Unless the postman actually starts stamping on the bubble wrap envelope I would say it's safe. A bit of cardboard rolled into a tube would add some extra protection without too much extra trouble.

One thought though. Apparently a lot of 'ESD' bags aren't conductive but just non-static generating. For full protection a wrapping in aluminium foil outside the ESD bag creates a 'Faraday Cage' that should stop everything electrical (including EMP!) without any risk of scratching the diode window.
 
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Re: *445nm lasers* !diodes 38.50$!

Or you can just short the diode leads. No chance of ESD damage and the solder jumper strengthens the pins.
 
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Re: *445nm lasers* !diodes 38.50$!

Or you can just short the diode leads. No chance of ESD damage and the solder jumper strengthens the pins.

True, but that has its dangers too: the additional static hazard from any extra handling and the potential damage caused by repeated application of soldering temperatures.

kiyoukan plans not to use a soldering iron at all but instead snip the flexible PCB material close to the diodes, which seems like a good plan.
 
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Re: *445nm lasers* !diodes 38.50$!

I think the real question is, how is kiyoukan going to avoid a diabetic coma after drinking 48 bottles of soda?
 
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Re: *445nm lasers* !diodes 38.50$!

True, but that has its dangers too: the additional static hazard from any extra handling and the potential damage caused by repeated application of soldering temperatures.

kiyoukan plans not to use a soldering iron at all but instead snip the flexible PCB material close to the diodes, which seems like a good plan.

It is possible to short the leads while the diodes are still in the massive heatsink in the projector. As long as you have a proper soldering iron and proper solder technique I don't see how that would ever hurt the diode. The iron is not in contact with the pins for any more than a split second.

Removing a PCB ribbon off of a diode when it is cut as small as it would need to be to remove it from the heatsink would require leaving heat on the diode longer than removing the entire ribbon and shorting the pins. You need to clip the ribbon down to a size a teenie bit bigger than the pins to pull it from the heatsink, otherwise it will put pressure on the pins. Then you have to deal with removing the fragments of solder and ribbon that was cut really small.

These are not like a sled, the diode pulls out the front. The ribbon will be in the way unless you remove it.

I still think completely removing the ribbon is the best way to go.
 
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Re: *445nm lasers* !diodes 38.50$!

the problem is my iron is not esd protected.
its a old weller 40w stick.
so i could but i dont want to risk something that is over 15yrs old on these.
its after 4th of july i think i can find some bottle caps...
as for my supplier of containers here is where i got them
1 1/4 inch Round Plastic Containers, 10pc, Push On Lid: Widget Supply
you get 10 containers for 1.79$
i bought around 56, thats all they had when i placed the order.
 
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Re: *445nm lasers* !diodes 38.50$!

. As long as you have a proper soldering iron and proper solder technique I don't see how that would ever hurt the diode. The iron is not in contact with the pins for any more than a split second.
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I still think completely removing the ribbon is the best way to go.

If I just bought two projectors and planned to sell all of the diodes, I would want the least amount of risk possible.

It's not that I don't trust kiyoukan, I wouldn't be here otherwise; it's just that he's a human. If any human is going to mess up my diode on accident, it's going to be me, and I can live with that. If Kiyoukan messed up a diode or two during desoldering because the ribbon was stupid on this diode, or that diode was in a bad place, then he's out a lot of money, as he has to buy another projector or diodes from another sale to replace those.
 
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Re: *445nm lasers* !diodes 38.50$!

How about putting the diode in an anti-static bag, and sandwiching it between a couple of pieces of anti-static foam, wrapped in packing tape. Put this in the the bubble envelope, and you should be ok.
 
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Re: *445nm lasers* !diodes 38.50$!

the problem is my iron is not esd protected.
its a old weller 40w stick.
so i could but i dont want to risk something that is over 15yrs old on these.
its after 4th of july i think i can find some bottle caps...
as for my supplier of containers here is where i got them
1 1/4 inch Round Plastic Containers, 10pc, Push On Lid: Widget Supply
you get 10 containers for 1.79$
i bought around 56, thats all they had when i placed the order.
Why not run down to your local Rat Shack;

15-Watt Soldering Iron with Grounded Tip - RadioShack.com
 

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Re: *445nm lasers* !diodes 38.50$!

the problem is my iron is not esd protected.
its a old weller 40w stick.
so i could but i dont want to risk something that is over 15yrs old on these.
its after 4th of july i think i can find some bottle caps...
as for my supplier of containers here is where i got them
1 1/4 inch Round Plastic Containers, 10pc, Push On Lid: Widget Supply
you get 10 containers for 1.79$
i bought around 56, thats all they had when i placed the order.

Good choice, don't risk ESD damage with that iron. Not sure specifically which soldering iron you have, but I know my old 40W adjustable power Weller (WLC-100) had some nasty AC voltage on the tip, I was able to measure it with a scope at essentially line voltage (between the tip and earth ground):
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Also personally I don't mind waiting until you get the containers, it's only another 2 days, and it would be a waste for you not to use them.
 
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Re: *445nm lasers* !diodes 38.50$!

Hi, you have another diodes, if you have put my name on the list. I need one diode urgent!
Thanks
 
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