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Old 06-14-2010, 12:09 AM   #101
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they woulnt do that.

it would be plain wrong.
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The goggles sold with it cover everything from violet up to green. Likewise, their green goggles will cover blue and violet too. It would be nice to see this explicitly explained, and/or in an OD graph, though.
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Well if you look at "Green 532nm LaserShields Goggles", the graph of the OD rating shows 2+ at 400nm to 532nm. Therefore, the green blocking seems to be have a simliar OD against 445nm lasers. Judging by the graph provided, ~450nm seems to have a ~3+ rating.

Of course, I do not know if LaserShields have the same optical density as LaserShades since LaserShades does not have a provided graph. I would assume that they'd provide protection since (many) 532nm blocking goggles seem to block out the range of 400nm to 532nm (graphs provided from other goggles).
However, I don't have their LaserShades graph, but they should provide some degree of protection.
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Does anybody know it they are the same as the focalprice ones? They sure do look the same.
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It's mostlikely the same goggles for 532nm (the red goggles) for those have been confirmed to also block bluray.
Also, RED is the "opposite" color for both green and blue. So it only makes sense that the red goggles would absorb it
That's what I think is going on anyway

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Ok had the laserbee running and put the glasses in the beam.

Thay surprisingly let less than 5mW threw. (from how bright the dot looked in my first post)
But after 15 sec's thay noticeably started to deform(small spot), after 35 sec's it stared to smoke(larger spot). I did not test any further.

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Default Goggles that come with the Spyder III good enough?

I just purchased the spyder III, and it is my 1st really powerful laser. I intend to take every safety precaution possible while using it, first and foremost being my eyesight. I upgraded for $60 to there better goggles. Will those goggles be good enough? Also, will this laser hurt others eyes if they see the beam from a distance, say at least 50 yards? My dad and brother will want to see it, so I assume its not safe for them to watch me use it.... I have lots of research to do before I actually use this thing, any safety tips would be greatly appreciated.
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No one knows if the goggles will be good enough, no one has gotten their Arctic to find out.
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Thats pretty scary.. I can't see the company sending out goggles that wont work, but who knows? Just to clarify things, you can't view this thing at all without glasses... right? Or can you view it from a distance without glasses?
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I would start with this thread: http://laserpointerforums.com/f65/so...ive-51653.html

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Personally, I trust certified safety goggles. An ANSI standard, designed by experts and recognized by all laser professionals, exists for laser safety goggles. There are also other standards out there in addition to the ANSI standard. But either way, without any kind of certification, how do you know what you're getting or how safe it will be? But in the end, it's up to you.

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Default Re: Goggles that come with the Spyder III good enough?

Thanks for the link! Can you recommend a decent pair of goggles? The upgraded ones on there website are from NoIR LaserShields, and the graphs are located here: Green 532nm LaserShields Goggles

Here is the link to the manufactures website and there certificates are on that page: NoIR LaserShields: Laser safety goggles for green 532nm OD 3+ laser alignment applications. Laser safety glasses for Argon and KTP.

Are they good based on whats on the manufactures website?
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Well, we're trying to get a group buy going in the group buy forum. If we can get 25 goggles, they'll take 20% off and give us free shipping to the distributing member. Pretty darn good deal. The goggles are roughly $70 each.
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I knew it. So 30 seconds and still no hole right?

Now, do you all believe these holded for 1 min my 200mW lasers?
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Okay, I just tested my FP 7$ glasses, and put them in front of my 300mW laser, EF, tested it with an IR filter to be at 215mW so there was 215mW of laser light being absorbed by the glasses. I tested for 1 minute, I don't have a LPM, but I can tell you, not once the whole time did I see a speck of green light on the other side. It melted a crater into the glasses but nothing got through. These are damn good glasses! Don't know about 1 Watt but should be close to being sufficient.
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It's hard to tell. Most of those who already have those diodes are going to be using the higher end products. Once I finish my LPM, I'll be testing out Glenn's BR goggles. The best thing to do is keep searching ebay for the certified products. I wish Frothy were still here, he would know where to get the best of the best.

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I did another test and ran it for 10 minutes and still nothing got through. when I held a paper close to the laser I did see a VERY small amount of green but it was dimmer then the IR I saw around it, barely noticeable, I`d say alot less than 1mW. It was a black peice of paper and I only glanced at it several times so as to minimize exposure to the IR.
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I'll clarify this. You need goggles for viewing the spot at close range or if there's any possibility of a reflection back at your eyes. Just looking at the beam in the air is fine. Just make sure you look out for airplanes in the sky before firing the thing up and don't point it at anything nearby on the ground.
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I knew since the moment I received them that this goggles were the same ones being sold at higher prices everywhere else, just that noone has certified their efficiency.

10 minutes? that's even more than I'd have expected lol
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Thank you for the clarification! That helps me quite a bit. I still have about a month of research to do before I use this badboy!
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I bet they would last an hour, very good glasses. Now we just need glasses for other colors this good and cheap!

I'm not sure how they will last at 1W however, because I noticed at about 2mins, the reflection of the melting plastic stopped. I don't think ~200mW will get through these glasses, but at 1W I think it would just punch through, how long will it take? No idea, but they should be sufficient.
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Here was some cruddy testing on my Eagles pair (200-540nm) OD4+...The issue with these goggles, is the lens glows. Even on my 200mw green, it glows the lens...Other than that, I dont see anything passing...Not saying these are safe, but the amount of orange is still decent!!!

If you want I'll redo the test with a lumen meter, to see how bright the orange is...

(Laser is set to 520mA) - I did it at the corner because as expected it was slowly burning them...This was focus to long distance...But i redid the test to find the same results with it focused. I did see a small dot passing through when i focused it. The brightness of the dot compared to the glasses glow was extremely dull. I could hardly even see the dot. Way darker than a .1mw laser by far...So...Maybe these goggles can be tested by others to get more results!
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Why not just buy some glasses from Frothy himself? OEM Laser Systems is his store, they sell a wide range of fully-certified laser goggles. Some people in the Groupbuy section are talking about getting a buy together for glasses from him, if they get 25 orders together, he'll knock 20% off his website's price (smaller discounts for smaller quantities, as well).

Funny you mention him here though, because I believe threads like this one were a big part of why he left and stopped posting here.
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Now they don't even offer the upgrade to better goggles on there website, you can just add a pair of cheap ones for $29.99... either I got ripped off or something sketchy is going on!
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I had a convo with Tracy from WL... this is what he said....

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you: Hi I'm wondering about the OD rating of the arctic laser glasses
you: do you know what the OD rating for 445nm is?
Tracy: The required Optical Density for laser safety eyewear for a 1W 445nm laser is 3+ for accidental exposures of a quarter of a second. However, an O.D. of 4.4+ is required for longer exposures
Tracy: please click this link for more informations: http://www.wickedlasers.com/laser-te...ht_hazard.html
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you: what is the actual OD rating of the additional glasses that you include with the arctic
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