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The law doesn't dictate how hard you have to try though, does it?
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The law doesn't dictate how hard you have to try though, does it?
We have the term "Show Code" for a reason.

When you know the person is dead and not coming back, but their family is standing there freaking out for you to help. You put on a show for them.
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When you know the person is dead and not coming back, but their family is standing there freaking out for you to help. You put on a show for them.
Thats not right, you are at that point deciding something you /can't/ know. There have been people that come back to life and are un harmed after over 30 mins of CPR. You should always try, what if it was your kid, or your brother, or your father? Crack head or not I bet you'd still try. People with an attitude like that should NOT be anywhere near patients alive or otherwise.

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We have the term "Show Code" for a reason.

When you know the person is dead and not coming back, but their family is standing there freaking out for you to help. You put on a show for them.
That's very interesting to know. I love learning new "codes", had a whole encyclopedia somewhere.

Yeah, if you know the person is gone, and is already cold, at least the family gets some consolation maybe from you putting on a bit of a show. They end up feeling a little better maybe knowing that everything possible was done.

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Thats not right, you are at that point deciding something you /can't/ know. There have been people that come back to life and are un harmed after over 30 mins of CPR. You should always try, what if it was your kid, or your brother, or your father? Crack head or not I bet you'd still try. People with an attitude like that should NOT be anywhere near patients alive or otherwise.
I think you misunderstood... I'm sure Matt means more for situations where he shows up and the person is already long dead.

There are always exceptions to the rule, but in general if a person is not revived by cpr, within the first few minutes, it's over
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We have the term "Show Code" for a reason.

When you know the person is dead and not coming back, but their family is standing there freaking out for you to help. You put on a show for them.
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Please forgive me for offering advice, because I know that you are HUGELY more experienced and smart than I am in this game. And, I've been very happy with what I've bought from you, and I was happy to try to return the favor a few weeks ago, so I only suggest with respect.
I also am very happy with the laser I bought from Yobresal. Took just a week to get here in Brazil. But, I was a marketing man for 20 years, so I have some advices too:

. Always consider all possible situations you can loose money. Packages lost or stolen, damages through transport, broken items due to misuse hard to confirm (excess voltage, etc). These costs should be considered in price calculation, but not as if it allways would hapen. You should use a probability factor. If statistically 2% of the packages you send are lost, you have to consider the PRICE+shipping of those 2% packages in your real cost.

. The decision to refund or replace and WHEN is the most difficult when you're dealing with a angry customer. In these cases, the customer usually want to damage your reputation as a way to make you decide sooner in his favor. The specific case of this thread is an example. He is trying to harm your reputation (the most valueable thing you have as a seller) all around, even in Youtube. So, if you wait too long to send another laser, he'll have more time to spread sh**** on your name. Based on my experience dealing with such situations, I would send it now, on contrary of the most opinions. It's hard to swallow, but selling laser is just a business, and you have to not take anything personal when these things happen. It's just business.
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Thats not right, you are at that point deciding something you /can't/ know. There have been people that come back to life and are un harmed after over 30 mins of CPR. You should always try, what if it was your kid, or your brother, or your father? Crack head or not I bet you'd still try. People with an attitude like that should NOT be anywhere near patients alive or otherwise.

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I would LOVE to see someone come back completely unharmed after 30 minutes. The only way that could happen is if they are young and CPR was initiated almost instantly.

CPR & ACLS fails the majority of the time. When it does work, the initial time from cardiac arrest to the beginning of resuscitation was normally long enough to cause permanent brain damage.
Even if they do get CPR in time and do not suffer any long term brain injury there is still the matter of what caused the cardiac arrest in the first place.
Spontaneous cardiac arrest is very rare. You heart has 3 back-up systems to keep itself beating. the normal SA node, atrial foci, the AV node, and then ventricular foci (in that order) So 99% of the time there is an obvious catastrophe taking place to cause the event.

most popular would be a myocardial infarction followed by necrosis of the cardiac tissue. Eventually the heart fails and goes into ventricular fibrillation and they die. Assuming they are brought back, they are still left with a heart that is half dead because they decided to ignore the chest pain they had the day before (It pisses me off when people do this. Remember, chest pain is your heart crying for oxygen. Time is muscle and cardiac muscle does not grow back.)

I'm not saying we walk in to someone who just went into v-fib or a pulseless v-tach minutes before and we go "oh, we'll let this one die." If there is a chance, even a 0.0001% chance i'll take it, because to me that just means i'll end up saving at least 1 extra person during my career if I try on all of them.

I'm saying if we walk in to find a frantic panicking family screaming over a 72 year old man they found dead when they got up that morning, we'll start CPR, even though he's obviously been dead too long to bring back. Under normal circumstances we would of put him on the cardiac monitor and after confirming asystole in 3 leads, call the coroner.

It's very popular now to keep working a code just so you can bring the family in to watch and come to terms with the fact that their family member is dead. Let them grieve for a few minutes and get them to agree to stopping CPR. It makes it a lot easier on the family.

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Yes, we are at that point deciding and we DO know. It's the lay public who don't realize how primitive medicine is. People aren't saved by 911, they are saved by the person standing next to them who took a CPR class and knew how to operate an AED, or give mouth to mouth.

it's those first couple of minutes that are the deciding factor on if someone lives or dies, the rest is only a small influence.

If there is any chance at all that a person may be saved, i'll work it until i get them to the hospital.

Also, I still stand by my attitude that crack heads should die . My personal opinion does not affect my work.

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it's those first couple of minutes that are the deciding factor on if someone lives or dies, the rest is only a small influence.
I think thats very true .

Thats why I always keep a home made first aid kit with me.

What pisses me off about first aid kits is they always have band aids in them. useful space is wasted by redundant "designer" band aids. Little tiny finger band aids, when in a pinch one single size will do the same job.

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No he didn't. I think that's why he went so crazy. Because he felt vulnerable and got scared. Besides paypal would have been on my side with this one. I shipped through paypal. I think they would anyway.
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