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Exclamation Scammer Alert: joeymutz

Mods if you would be so kind as to look into this....

Feel free to take a look at my PM's or whatever... this guy is a scammer and now laughing about it.

Btw EVERYONE, please note he's planning to come in under a different username to try to sell his Anselmo Iron Man glove.

Here's the original sales thread:

F/S Ehgemus build 1.5W LPM tested $300~ SOLD!!!!

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WOW you have a lot of time on your hands. Its been a long time since i went on this site. -197 points. I could really care less as i no longer collect lasers. If you only live 20 minutes from the city I would be more than happy to meet up with you and give you the money for the laser along with everything else I sold with it to you. It is the holidays and maybe you really need the money. I no longer have any money issues and you sound desperate. I would really like to help you out. I opened the one thread and everyone agreed with me and advised me not to give you any money back as you received a great deal but now i have plenty of money to toss around so as long as you are willing to meet up with me i will buy it back from you. Let me know. Have a great holiday.
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Whether on purpose or out of ignorance you lied.

When I contacted you about low power output you gave me a bs run around that it must be my laser power meter, or I must have done something with the laser. Neither was the case.

Also you never "opened the one thread and everyone agreed with me and advised me not to give you any money back as you received a great deal" unless you did so under a different account.

I documented my findings about the laser in the original sales thread.

It's not the money as it is that I hate being ripped off.

Bottom, line is you sold me a 1.5W laser with at g1 lens. In reality it's a 1.2W laser with a regular ar coated lens.

Appreciate the offer to meet up but I'll pass. If you want to correct this, you have my Paypal address, refund me the difference of a g1 lens and I'll update the thread as well as ask for my neg reps to be removed.
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I don't care about my rep points how about i delete my account then open a new one then I start back at 0. I donlt have your paypal info anymore so I would need it again. you would have to ship it to a middle man first then i would send you the money. I was told BY DTR it was a G1 lens he's the one who built it. If you want talk to him. your obviously very young as No one would stalk someone just to give them negative reps especially when i haven't been on here in Probably 6 Months. I'd really like to meet up to see who it s behind the keyboard and talk like men about this. If your scared to do so well then your just a boy hiding behind a keyboard. We can meet at grand central station plenty of cops and some of my military brothers walk around in there so you can feel protected. This is the only way you will get your money back, if not type what you want the account will be deleted by weeks end anyway. It time to see if you just hide behind your keyboard or your man enough to meet me in a public place. Seriously though either way stop stalking me.
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Despite being by a computer all day, my time is actually quite valuable to me. I have no time to head out to grand central or wherever to deal with you. Taking half a day to deal with this bullshit would end up costing me at least three times what the lens costs

I got DTR's input on this by the way. He TESTED the laser with a g1 lens, but didn't remember if it was sold with one. Which is exactly why he brought up the question originally.

You can check out your own original sales thread for the discussion.

I left the negs reps to make sure that any potential buyer is aware that you have no clue what you're selling. Your snide insinuations and insults really don't add any credibility btw.

Stalking? More like checking to make sure you don't screw anyone else over.
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you know what's great I sold that to you for $250 and theirs nothing you can do about it. If he tested it with a G1 lens then that's the lens I got unless he accidentally switched them. Thank you for help paying for my lawyer. I had two felonies for selling a gun and having illegal gun parts on an Ak-47(NY with there crazy laws).

Just so you are aware I used to be in in the service. I was a computer Tech. Those felonies are now gone as i received an ACD after paying a lawyer 8k, being a war hero and having 4 medals and 6 ribbons and with no priors on my record helped a lot. Now you probably think I'm making this up but really to say you served your country and didn't is something only a little bitch like you would do. Selling a gun was the dumbest thing I did but i was Crazy at that point in my life. Now everything is easy breezy. I have one laser left that can easily be sold but not with this handle it will be deleted.

You're right I know exactly where you live thanks to pay pal. I sod my lasers made all my money back from lawyer fees have a great life right now, partially thanks to your $250. Should have used a middle man, bet you won't make that mistake again. In this economy $250 could really put a dent in your wallet. Your a straight up pussy for not meeting up. This is my last message with this Handle enjoy not being able to give me negative reps anymore find someone else to annoy. So Happy holidays even though your short $250, Also go fuck yourself you faggot.
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WTF does your being in the military have ANYTHING to do with you not now knowing what you're selling?

You clearly have some entitlement issues.

And you have problems with math apparently.... it's was $290.

You ripped me off and you're laughing about it. If this wasn't an situation involving a laser I'd report you to the cops just to make your life interesting.

I did try to work with you, and gave you several chances to make it right... you haven't...

Ergo... Scammer.
He also lied in the public messages on his wall, but he deleted that stuff. Oh well.



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"If this wasn't an situation involving a laser I'd report you to the cops just to make your life interesting."

Well you are both in the US, and my guess same state 'NY'.. Why hesitate
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who has to worry. Somebody correct me if im wrong..

From what ive read, its not illegal to own or operate within certain boundaries.
It is however an issue if you import or sell... In this case the guy with the weapons
charges was the one who sold unlawfully..
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Few problems...

This transaction took place back in March, so it's far from fresh.

I also sold quite a few lasers myself, so don't particularly want to deal with authorities in case they start looking at me as a seller

Lastly I don't want to deal with the hassle. IMO he got $70 that he shouldn't have. It sucks but I got over it a long time ago. ( I arrive at the $70 figure simply by assigning a value of $220 to the laser I did get.)

I posted this just to give people a heads up... this guys scammed me. I'm sure he wouldn't blink twice about screwing over anyone else.

Edit... just deleted the nice rep he left me "Dudes a stalker and breks things and says it was your fault."

How the f*ck does one break a lens so it transforms from one kind into another?

I tested this laser with g1 and g2 405 lenses... it hits 1.5W easily with them....

Test with the lens it came with: http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/...hAixizLens.jpg
Test with a Jayrob g1 lens: http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/...ithg1andAW.jpg
Despite all this... still one of my favorites: http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/...%20Laser/2.jpg

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I say pay him a visit and beat up the kid. That is all. If of course he lives nearby
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He lives in long island IIRC... which between gas, tolls, parking and time... not worth the trip. Would be satisfying though.
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He lives in long island IIRC... which between gas, tolls, parking and time... not worth the trip. Would be satisfying though.
Or send him a sht in a box with one day shipping
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Forgive the rude remarks i'm about to make......


I totally believe he was in the military. There are a LOT of douche bags like him that go to the military, simply because nobody wants them and the military is their only choice, or they're too stupid to be useful to society and the only useful skill they possess is the ability to die, and maybe kill a few enemies before that happens.

I don't mean this as a bash fest against all military, some of my closest friends are in the military and i love them to death. It just seems like the military is littered with these kinds of people.
He's an arrogant asshole that thinks he can use people.

He probably got a dishonorable discharge anyways.

My step-brother is the same way (he's army). Can't stand to be around him for more than 2 minutes. He acts like a douche bag to everyone and then blames it on PTSD. I see blood guts gore and dead babies all the time, and i can still function as a normal person in society.
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I totally believe he was in the military. There are a LOT of douche bags like him that go to the military, simply because nobody wants them and the military is their only choice, or they're too stupid to be useful to society and the only useful skill they possess is the ability to die, and maybe kill a few enemies before that happens.

I don't mean this as a bash fest against all military, some of my closest friends are in the military and i love them to death. It just seems like the military is littered with these kinds of people.
He's an arrogant asshole that thinks he can use people.

He probably got a dishonorable discharge anyways.

My step-brother is the same way (he's army). Can't stand to be around him for more than 2 minutes. He acts like a douche bag to everyone and then blames it on PTSD. I see blood guts gore and dead babies all the time, and i can still function as a normal person in society.
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I would also add that he isn't a kid. He used the word "handle" which I think implies either BBS or CB experience. Both of which are nearly antiques in this day and age. (Now I guess I'm showing my age)
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This conversation is still ongoing btw...

F/S Ehgemus build 1.5W LPM tested $300~ SOLD!!!!

He seriously needs some medication or something.

@Matt, agreed 100%. A lot of military/ex military guys are brainwashed boneheads. Logic simply does not enter the empty space in their cranial cavities.

@Silvershot - Would be fun to do that. Wonder if there is anyway I can setup a package of flaming crap pretty sure I'd end up in jail though for sending someone an actual crap bomb

@jcranmer - I'm 100% he's not a kid. Probably mid twenties. Btw, I also use the term handle.... guess I'm getting old too

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He seriously needs some medication or something.

@Matt, agreed 100%. A lot of military/ex military guys are brainwashed boneheads. Logic simply does not enter the empty space in their cranial cavities.

@Silvershot - Would be fun to do that. Wonder if there is anyway I can setup a package of flaming crap pretty sure I'd end up in jail though for sending someone an actual crap bomb

@jcranmer - I'm 100% he's not a kid. Probably mid twenties. Btw, I also use the term handle.... guess I'm getting old too


Are you kidding me?

What are you hoping to achieve here? If it's just the lens, I may have an extra for you... but please don't insult our military as a whole like that. They perform a job that most aren't willing to do.
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Are you kidding me?

What are you hoping to achieve here? If it's just the lens, I may have an extra for you... but please don't insult our military as a whole like that. They perform a job that most aren't willing to do.
g-1 lenses cost quite a bit.

also he said *allot* as a whole is not allot
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Are you kidding me?

What are you hoping to achieve here? If it's just the lens, I may have an extra for you... but please don't insult our military as a whole like that. They perform a job that most aren't willing to do.
Uhm... not really kidding... not sure what you mean.

Yes there are many men and women in the military who do a job that most won't. Many of them are also great people.

Unfortunately I've had misfortune of crossing paths with plenty of ex military bone heads. I mean I worked with a guy who practically jumped me because I said Bush's reasoning for going to war in iraq was retarded.

Here's another guy, ex military, I never cared one way or the other whether he was, or wasn't but he brings it up for whatever reason.

Should I bring up random unrelated crap about my life too?

Anyway, not out to start a debate on military/ethics/brainwashing etc,. Regardless of anything any population has some bad apples. Maybe I've just had the misfortune of running into too many of them who are ex military of some kind.

Here I just wanted to warn people about a scammer.

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They aren't cheap, but it's not really the money. This guy just pissed me off.

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Does anyone know a vet that refers to themselves as a "war hero"?
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Does anyone know a vet that refers to themselves as a "war hero"?
Good point. I certainly don't.

One guy I know just said " I did what anyone would do"... and in general the others just don't talk about their time in the military... at all.

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Not saying this guy isn't acting as loony as a cookoo bird, but lots of people join the military in order to become a "war hero." I don't find it far-fetched at all that someone would leave the military and then push themselves as one.

I know a couple vegetarians that think they are somehow better because of that. People are like that, they like to think they are better.
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